Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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John it's the same for me,,, I figured if they set it would weaken springs but either I'm older and weaker which I am,,, or they still in good shape. Had one set under a old scrape lumber pile for a long time a 220 it was rusty but still went off just fine.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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06/23/19 04:18 PM
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One thing to be said about bg traps. They don't have alot of moving parts. So weakening the springs would take alot.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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Half of mine are setting there with compressed springs all the time. The weakest ones I have are the old square jawed ones from along time ago.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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John, I can't remember if Mr. Pete Askins was still at the Trapper's college when you attended, but he was a strong advocate that they lost no strength from keeping them compressed for ease of storage and transport. This from the man who spent his career making and testing traps.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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TJM is correct-there is no difference in having springs partially compressed or fully compressed-they do not weaken.Removing them from the trap completely to fully relax them would not do a thing.It is the repeated act of compressing the springs that weakens them.That and loss of metal thru rust.Or high heat.(like a fire). And that is right from Guy Desrosiers who makes the LDL trap. When Guy manufactures his traps he boxes them with the springs compressed.Some would sit for a couple seasons I would assume before selling and the LDL has one of the strongest springs out of the box of any trap.And I have several dozen magnums in my arsenal from back in the late 90's that still have springs as strong as the new ones.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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Just for folks new to the game or youngsters, the traps shown are not original body grips. This is nit picky I will admit, but the original did not have the hump in the corners of the jaws.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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Well In my opinion they store a lot better when they are compressed. Pull both compressed springs up to the top jaws then make one wrap around them with my cable then wrap the rest of my cable around the trap body. Stored and ready to go for the next trapping season. The only time I ever noticed any loss of spring strength Is when I left them compressed when I had the powder coated. And It wasn't enough to make them any less lethal.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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TJM is correct-there is no difference in having springs partially compressed or fully compressed-they do not weaken.Removing them from the trap completely to fully relax them would not do a thing.It is the repeated act of compressing the springs that weakens them.That and loss of metal thru rust.Or high heat.(like a fire). And that is right from Guy Desrosiers who makes the LDL trap. When Guy manufactures his traps he boxes them with the springs compressed.Some would sit for a couple seasons I would assume before selling and the LDL has one of the strongest springs out of the box of any trap.And I have several dozen magnums in my arsenal from back in the late 90's that still have springs as strong as the new ones. Boco, Guy don't know what he don't know. I work with many many ($100 US) springs and they lose strength by storing compressed. Here is a novel idea for you spring experts. Type your question into GOOGLE and in about 0.5 seconds you will have 3,000,000 hits that will tell you that keeping a spring compressed will cause it to lose strength. I didn't read all 3,000,000 hits but everyone I read said YES. Of course if my buddy said it doesn't cause lose of strength I'm sure he is correct and the rest of the world is wrong. BTW, if you were using $100 springs you would soon learn to store them not compressed. Springs in question are Perazzi hammer springs.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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x2 on what ed said heat and rust are spring steels death
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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Springs on traps are still compressed even when not set,so unless you remove the springs from the traps each season you are storing them in a compressed state. And Yes Guy does know about traps and springs. Its you that don't know what you don't know.
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Re: I think I answered a long time question.
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Well, Jwood said it for sure. That was pretty unscientific but I like that guy. Lol. JWood & I trap he same general area. Next time I see him maybe we'll do a spring test. Nope forget it, I already know that keeping a spring compressed weakens it. A few years ago I came across some old square jaw victor 330's that had been stored with the springs compressed. I don't know how long they were compressed but the previous owner has been dead for more than 20 years. Guess what those traps had very weak springs not from use but from been stored compressed for a loooooong time. Of course this does not apply to Canadian made springs. They actually get stronger in storage. I have some Sauvageau - 2001-5F and they almost cut weasels in two. I hope they stop getting stronger as I need setters to set them. They will creep up on you if you are not careful. One last comment: The phenomenon that weakens compressed springs is creep, in which a metal held at a constant strain will gradually relax and so reduce the stress. This will reduce the stored strain energy. It has nothing to do with fatigue, which is the result of repeated cyclic loading, and it has nothing to do with the homogeneity of the stress field. Creep deformation does not occur suddenly upon the application of stress. Instead, strain accumulates as a result of long-term stress. Therefore, creep is a "time-dependent" deformation. It works on the principle of Hooke's law (stress is directly proportional to strain). For you Canadians that means that the more you keep a spring compressed the more it weakens.
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