Re: Question dress code
[Re: rex123]
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All I’m saying, and many others have agreed, that you can’t enforce one and not the other. This is the problem with progression. They think they get to pick and choose the platform/cause.
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Re: Question dress code
[Re: rex123]
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C'mon, all you have to do is threaten to bring religious liberty into it and most places will fold. I refused to work Sundays at one job, citing religious belief. Get a note from your pastor saying that wearing the rainbow symbol violates his religious beliefs. If this was a gay person refusing to wear something that promoted a straight lifestyle the press would be screaming discrimination. They can't have it one way and not the other.
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Re: Question dress code
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All I’m saying, and many others have agreed, that you can’t enforce one and not the other. This is the problem with progression. They think they get to pick and choose the platform/cause. I agree with that statement in principle. My comment was on the disproportionate outrage. Big deal, the guy has to wear a rainbow. If he doesn't like it, quit. We have much bigger fights to have over what is happening in this country. I do however understand that the small fights are part of the big fight. And by the way, I'm not just talking about what the liberals are doing to it. If you've followed my posts you know I believe there is an equally dangerous (and orange, deranged and dishonest) threat purporting to be on the other side.
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Re: Question dress code
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My Mommie taught me how to solve any problem: "You collect and study all the facts...…..then, you do as you darned well please." Based on the collective knowledge on this thread: - Dump the apron (a little drama wouldn't hurt); and go to work for Chick-fil-A
That, of course, assumes your friend does not identify with any of the GLTQ categories.
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Re: Question dress code
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If he don't want to wear it-he doesn't have to.He can take his religious beliefs,saddle up and ride off. Wow, Canada is more different compared to the U.S than I thought. I couldn't disagree with you more on this, and (not that it matters to you) lost a bit of respect for you too.
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Re: Question dress code
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Realistically I don't believe this guy would have a legal leg to stand on if he refused to wear it. If it was any sort of government telling him he had to wear it that would be a different story. The store is paying him to be their representative so they can dictate what that representation looks like. This is absolute truth. There's probably ten guys out there who would love to have that man's job, apron or not..... and the store knows it.
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Re: Question dress code
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If he don't want to wear it-he doesn't have to.He can take his religious beliefs,saddle up and ride off. Wow, Canada is more different compared to the U.S than I thought. I couldn't disagree with you more on this, and (not that it matters to you) lost a bit of respect for you too. It's sad, but - hopefully I make it till this time next year - but, I'm leaving my company for similar reasons. I kind of see Bocco's point - because you are not going to win if you try to fight such a thing. Believe me - the queers have completely taken over the defense plant where I work, and what goes on now is beyond belief. I wonder if these people even realize that we build war machines.... Doubt it - all they care about is they have taken over a company that has extrodinary pay and benefits, and for the most part they are not required to work, because they make the corporation more diverse. So, yeah... I myself do have to take Bocco's approach - I have to leave, hopefully as soon as I can take my early retirement - meaning hopefully I can last that long....
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Re: Question dress code
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Religion belongs in church not at work. These religious zealot bible thumpers are touched in the head. Worse than the friggen Muzzies. Will they make the muzzies wear rainbow head coverings? Mike
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Re: Question dress code
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Silly argument to me, you like your work and pay, but don't like the uniform they give ya, do you quit or do you wear the uniform ? Are you changed because of their representation of something they support, I doubt it, when some one ask's why your wearing that representation, you simply say it's not my way of thinking, however I enjoy my work and the pay is great. This gets around to the company, it's now their problem of forcing a discrimination suit to action due to your ethics and belief's, most won't go there and will provide a replacement.
Or you have the option to leave and start over some where else. How long have you worked here, what are the bennies, compared to access to other places, do you have aspirations of moving higher or to a different place in their employ, etc, some questions to ask your self, there are others I'm sure.
Or you have the option of forcing their card to wear that representation, probably masked or guarded under the guise of proper safety equipment or PPE as it's commonly known, and hope you have an attorney that has great back ground in discrimination tactics and warfare, who will only take pay if won, but probably you won't find one unless the company has large pockets to attempt the fight. If they do require that apron as PPE, you may end up with a compromise of choosing a different one, but forever be labeled as a trouble maker, although not publicly, only in your company and would only show if you sought forward movement or a better paying job. Then it would be masked, but it would be brought up I assure you.
Only you can decide your fate on this one ! Good luck.
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Re: Question dress code
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They should be allowed to tell the employee what he will wear at work and he should be free to peddle his skills to other employers. No company should have to make a wedding cake for a wedding that offend them, and no company should be made to change their dress code. First time I ever agreed with you.
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Re: Question dress code
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I simply think it's hilarious how in thread after thread the normal whiners pound on all kinds of groups of people, but when some old guy has to wear a rainbow apron it is a civil rights tragedy. hehehehe
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Re: Question dress code
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Silly argument to me, you like your work and pay, but don't like the uniform they give ya, do you quit or do you wear the uniform ? Are you changed because of their representation of something they support, I doubt it, when some one ask's why your wearing that representation, you simply say it's not my way of thinking, however I enjoy my work and the pay is great. This gets around to the company, it's now their problem of forcing a discrimination suit to action due to your ethics and belief's, most won't go there and will provide a replacement.
Or you have the option to leave and start over some where else. How long have you worked here, what are the bennies, compared to access to other places, do you have aspirations of moving higher or to a different place in their employ, etc, some questions to ask your self, there are others I'm sure.
Or you have the option of forcing their card to wear that representation, probably masked or guarded under the guise of proper safety equipment or PPE as it's commonly known, and hope you have an attorney that has great back ground in discrimination tactics and warfare, who will only take pay if won, but probably you won't find one unless the company has large pockets to attempt the fight. If they do require that apron as PPE, you may end up with a compromise of choosing a different one, but forever be labeled as a trouble maker, although not publicly, only in your company and would only show if you sought forward movement or a better paying job. Then it would be masked, but it would be brought up I assure you.
Only you can decide your fate on this one ! Good luck. There are organizations out there that would take up your cause in a moment and represent you for free. If it was truly a matter of principle, I'd fight it, then tell them you're going to work for someone else, after you win the big settlement. And that's probably why I'm self employed, lol.
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Re: Question dress code
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Religion belongs in church not at work. These religious zealot bible thumpers are touched in the head. Worse than the friggen Muzzies. Will they make the muzzies wear rainbow head coverings? Mike Or handle pork? Or not allow them their prayer breaks? Personally I take a libertarian view, the company should be free to choose what their employees wear or not wear and the employee is free to chose where he/she would like to work. The truth is we don't live in that libertarian world and never will and I disagree with White, there is precedence out there barring employers from forcing employees to do things against their religious beliefs.
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Re: Question dress code
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Agreed Steven.
Boco loves to harp on folks over the whole gay thing... But I have to wonder if he would've worn a PETA patch on his work shirt if the railroad had told him to.
In the end, it should be between the employer and employee.
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Re: Question dress code
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Not "harping on folks"just pointing out that peoples freedoms in modern western society have been extended to more than one or two groups. By law you cannot discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation,among other things. Your bible(or any other religious doctrine) is not the law of the land.
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