Even something they will dig they dont run in and start digging. They will stepall over first

A lot of the trappers I deal with are on the same page and there are a bunch who are good or lucky and just need them to walk into the set. To each their own



I wouldn't over think it or think too hard, some have hurt themselves doing that. Simplicity tends to make things a lot more clear. Take a look at the formulas that are floating around and the ingredient lists that are associated with them. If I was a betting man, I'd bet many have tried to formulate them and I would bet out of the many who have tried a lot of those folks are still asking for formulas that are supposed to call the animals in from miles away or magically make them appear. Getting an animal to a hole is elementary, what happens after that falls on the trapper in regards to appeal, type of set and understanding of that animal and the dynamics of the bigger picture. Lots of discussion on bait and lure but not many talking about what goes into the setup and ability to interpret what the animals are displaying when things go sideways.




Watching them animals on cam and learning more about the animals you seek will change that very quickly and the what and why will make much more sense. Then when you think you got them, they will pull a switcheroo and you're back to square one, but it's well worth it if you are serious about trapping the animal you are after. It's repetitive but it's all true, there is no need to complicate what you are trying to do. jmo, imo, imho, jm2c

Remember beav doesnt make coyote baits or lures but postes on the lure making thread and I doubt has made many or any mock sets to see the reactions he gets from his go to bait. My bet is he'd see a good amount of digging if he did.

4 out of 9 of TDHPs lure say they cause a digging reaction and 4 out of 10 of his bait are described as getting them to dig.

Danny's information seems to always line up with what I see from the coyotes. Some of the others just blow smoke to impress the sheep.

I've but in close to 2 hundred mock sets in in the last 12 months testing, Jamison's, Weiser's, Cavens, June's, Boone Lianes and my own stuff and will say good luck finding a really good lure or bait that doesn't cause a digging reaction.

Funny the term and my name lately has been reffered to as blowing smoke or loud mouth. Please tell me what you really think I have broad shoulders.

I think you tell it like you see it no punches held back and sometimes it comes across a little abrasive but I find there is alot of truth in what you say and it lines up with what I see. I listen when you share.

My apologies.Sometimes never know what side of the fence a guy is on. Carry on.

No worries sir

Yes sir
I bet that I have made more bait and lure tests and made more mock sets then you can count. I don't need to make my own lures or bait I test other lure and bait makers stuff. It has got me to where I don't ever have to second guess what bait/lure to use In each situation.
You can stumble around all you want and make and test different combos but I have It figured out and I didn't waste any time or sweat doing It. I only have about 60 years playing In the dirt catching critters.
My bait and lure combination doesn't lend It's self to much digging and If there Is some digging my trap placement allows for It
The other thing you have to realize Is that the type of set you make lends It's self to more digging then the bait/lure combination does.

Wouldnt it be nice if all coyotes (and foxes) were the same so we could be sure when we found the secret potion that every one of them would do the exact same thing everytime?

But, that coyote wasnt hungry, that one was. That coyote was skiddish, that one wasnt. That fox wasnt curious, that one was...

....there is nothing that will cause the same reaction...

And that Is the bottom line. All you can do Is play the averages and put out a lot of steel.

X100%

Think I found the magic potion..

Lol!

Stain removal.....yep!

Beav you talk so much you cant keep your stories straight. Another post you said you experimented for 40 some years to find the perfect combo then here you said you didnt waste any time or sweat finding it. So which is it no wasted time and sweat or more test sets than I can count and 40 some years?

I know that bait Kasper made gets them digging.

Have to agree nothing is 100%. Its why I posted this


Most of the time don't mean always. Nothing will get every one that finds it digging either. Stuff that makes MOST of them end up digging seems to keep them there longer,. moving around, stepping all over the place.

Seems like the basic response's to most stuff they show interest in is to eat it, rub on it, or pee on it (including kickbacks and or defecation) . The stuff that gets one to do all three at a flat set seems to catch more than anything that only has one or two response behaviors. The stuff that gets them ( most of them anyway) doing all three will USUALLY get one digging if its in a hole

Nice input ^^^^^

My story Is perfectly straight I used ready made bait and lures In those 40 years Until I came up what would work In my area and my type of trapping.
I didn't spend hours of time grinding meat and making different lures that didn't work. And making mock sets during the summer months. I was testing while trapping and I used lures and bait that had already been tested and had a good track record.
Some lures/baits didn't work well In different areas I trapped and some did but they all worked to some degree.
If It trips your trigger making baits and lures and testing the out come good for you.

foot movement will automatically come with attraction.Be it fox, coyote, coon or dog. The old saying animals are lazy, i find true at dirt holes. Most of my evidence proves they will work a dirt hole and dig at the lowest spot75% of the time. I feel this is why trench sets are so effective.

Went out this morning to check a few areas that I dumped some stink bait in a hole..
Coyotes did work it a little..As far as I can tell he came down the edge of the grass into the bait after crossing the pipeline 2 track..

I have 4 other test areas in place using actual bait and lures made by the guys that know the business..
Curious to see the hits on them..been out for a couple weeks I should go check em..one area has a small bear coming thru maybe he'll like it.hmmm

Nicely done Sir!