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Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job #6579679
07/23/19 02:06 PM
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I guess Bernie Sanders just proved a point. If you raise all employees wages to $15 per hour, some will have to lose their jobs or cut back on hours. Exactly what is happening to Sander’s employees. Increasing minimal wage sounds like a break even proposition overall for employees but the employers come out on the losing end.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579684
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Many employees will lose too because they don't produce $15.00 an hour, plus the other costs they incur for their employer. They will end up unemployed.

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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579685
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Would you look at that? Bernie can't practice what he preaches.

Saw yesterday Talib wants the federal minimum wage at $20 hr because tipped employees can't live on tips alone. I did ok when I was a tipped employee

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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579693
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Lol, yea that's gonna be a hard one to defend when it come to the general election.

Adam, she's too ugly to be a stripper so she doesn't understand how much they make in tips. whistle

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: hippie] #6579695
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Originally Posted by hippie
Lol, yea that's gonna be a hard one to defend when it come to the general election.

Adam, she's too ugly to be a stripper so she doesn't understand how much they make in tips. whistle

ROFL laugh you can say that again

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579697
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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579723
07/23/19 03:42 PM
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The problem with Bernie's plan is he doesn't understand work or what it takes to run a business because he has done neither.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579728
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To make things worse for ol Been is he unionized his employees now the union is all agitated about it.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: SNIPERBBB] #6579730
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Any discussion that talks about a federal level or wide ranging minimum of many things including wages needs to have cost of living data for a lot of regions of the USA. $15 per hour in some places is an excellent wage and in others it is a poverty level wage. As with many things, minimum wage, Medicare for all, immigration policy, assistance payments, subsidies etc. there is almost never any real discussion on how to enact, enforce and pay for.
The private sector does not always have the most efficient or effective way to manage things but when things go south there is an end. That is not as true with government programs. We are getting to the point financially as a nation where good across the aisle compromise on major legislation we may not be able to afford.

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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579740
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If the minimum wage is increased to $15 does that automatically increase a businesses income to make it possible for the business to pay that wage?

The result will be that those at the bottom of the pay scale will find themselves out of work. If I have to pay $15 an hour, I'm no longer going to settle on an employee who's only worth $8. The $8, $10, and $12 employees had better start increasing their skills and knowledge because $10 worth of work is no longer going to be tolerated by employeers.

But, that may be the plan. When people are doing well, they aren't as inclined to elect the party that promises to fix everything for them. They need more people unemployed and hungry to win elections.


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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579750
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You hit the nail on the head maintenanceguy. Surely there will be some price increases, justified by the business as increased operating costs, but I would bet lots of businesses will simply trim the fat from the bottom of the ladder. Unemployment rates will go up, but there won't be entry level, minimum wage jobs open for people to fill. So there will be more people living on govt checks. Plus, businesses may be forced to try and get by with a skeleton staff, which doesn't benefit anyone, employer, employee, or customer.

Cheap foreign labor will look even more appealing when the minimum wage increases drastically.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: tlguy] #6579780
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As many state there will be layoffs due to higher wage costs, maybe many are hiring staff they don't need because they can get them at very low costs. A lot depends upon what sectors of the work force one is in or going into.
Would there be as many help wanted ads if the wage offers were higher? There is a lot of grey area when it comes to wages, hours, work force needed as to bodies and quality etc. etc. When the Packers put out a call for workers to remove snow from the stadium they offer $10 or so per hour and a shovel, they get all the help they need. Many farmers can't find people to mow bales for considerably more than that.

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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579793
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Dang, a person can barely afford a Mcdonalds meal as it is. I hate to think what one will cost after raising the minimum wage even more. There are some jobs that are just not worth paying that kind of money.


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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579828
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I have worked for minimum wage once when I found myself without a good paying job. it was very humbling. But it kept the lights on and food on the table. I learned to save for a rainy day. Sarge


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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: rex123] #6579835
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Originally Posted by rex123
The problem with Bernie's plan is he doesn't understand work or what it takes to run a business because he has done neither.


No, the problem is half of Americans don't understand what it takes and will believe Bernie because they are sheep. Bernie doesn't have to be right, he just needs to fool the dumb people into thinking he is in order to get their vote.


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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579836
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No employer in my area is paying the existing min. wage, which I believe in Mn is almost $8 per hour. $15 to $ 20 per hour would crush small towns and their businesses. Having owned one for 26 years I speak from experience.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579837
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I’m waiting for the feds to give price supports to fur like it’s doing now for grain farmers. I’m working below the minimum wage when I trap.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579893
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Bernie and some of those rookie congress women need to go back to grade school and learn a penny's worth about economics.

Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579909
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There are other cost the employer has to pay that are directly connected to the employees wage. This is a hard one, some people are not worth a dime more but other that are worth a dollar more. JMO


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Re: Keeping minimal wage or chance losing your job [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6579910
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If the minimum wage is raised to $15, unemployment will skyrocket to numbers like the depression. & yet president Trump will be blamed.

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