Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/09/19 01:38 PM
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M44s have been used for many years nothing new, don't buy into the hype it a very regulate way to control predators in less populated areas.
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/09/19 02:56 PM
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danny clifton
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be a lot easier to catch heavy westerns if they were banned
I think its time to put an end to federal wildlife services. whats the cost per coyote up to now? 7-800 dollars? put a 500 dollar bounty on them nation wide (a hundred would buy a new 4 wd pickup again) and see how many get killed
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/09/19 07:37 PM
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I wish they would help me out with all these hawks
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: zoozoo400]
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08/09/19 08:39 PM
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Does the trap have any adverse ecological effects? Aside from death of the targeted animal of course LOL No! They are a spring loaded devise that throws the cyanyde into the target animals mouth. There it mixes with saliva and causes death very quickly. Very effecient tool that is strickly regulated.
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/09/19 08:56 PM
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Apparently not always into the "target" animals mouth.
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/09/19 09:31 PM
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If you came across this article from the Guardian, a UK publication, without any background about M44s, and the first thing you saw was the title "Trump administration authorizes 'cyanide bombs' to kill wild animals" then yeah this would be bad. And that's the point. It's the bread and butter of the animal rights movement and their networks across the globe. As the Guardian self-righteously admits: "in our natural world, we refuse to turn away from the climate catastrophe and species extinction. For The Guardian, reporting on the environment is a priority. We give reporting on climate, nature and pollution the prominence it deserves..." Their source for this article is the Center for Biological Diversity here in the US, a major pain in the arse for trappers and hunters. In short, it's a hit piece spoon fed to the Guardian almost verbatim from the Center for Biological Diversity. They have money, connections and resources that we don't. Note: I can't and won't link to the August 7th press release from the Center for Biological Diversity because it violates forum rules, but you can look it up yourselves if you wish.
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: lee steinmeyer]
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08/09/19 09:58 PM
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Does the trap have any adverse ecological effects? Aside from death of the targeted animal of course LOL No! They are a spring loaded devise that throws the cyanyde into the target animals mouth. There it mixes with saliva and causes death very quickly. Very effecient tool that is strickly regulated. I can see why it's strictly reg'd. Clever idea, though... I can't say I'm a fan, but every tool has it's place!
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/10/19 01:32 AM
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be a lot easier to catch heavy westerns if they were banned
I think its time to put an end to federal wildlife services. whats the cost per coyote up to now? 7-800 dollars? put a 500 dollar bounty on them nation wide (a hundred would buy a new 4 wd pickup again) and see how many get killed x2!!!
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: lee steinmeyer]
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08/10/19 07:55 AM
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Does the trap have any adverse ecological effects? Aside from death of the targeted animal of course LOL No! They are a spring loaded devise that throws the cyanyde into the target animals mouth. There it mixes with saliva and causes death very quickly. Very effecient tool that is strickly regulated. I'm not against the use of M-44's, cyanide guns, coyote getters, grab & die rigs, or whatever. But, What about secondary mortality of non-targets which feed upon the carcasses of animals killed by these devices ? Seems to me that the cyanide poisoning & subsequent death of non-targets which scavenge the carcasses of the original target were a major factor for cyanide guns, etc being outlawed by federal legislation in the 1970's. Just playing devil's advocate here so don't bite my head off. w
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/10/19 08:19 AM
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Cyanide guns have never been outlawed so far as I know. I know some were being used mid 70's in Colorado. Those were fired with a 38 case and the cyanide in place of the bullet. They have been used with a spring for a long while. Last I knew the guy setting them not only had to put out signs he had to have an antidote kit in reach while setting them. Had to pass an applicators test. There are rules. Like private property only. Guys set them and they don't get checked for weeks sometimes. Its not uncommon to find an old one that's been in place for years. I could go on about some of the predator control programs run by usda in particular, and some counties, but there is no point. Most people think if its the government doing it then they know what they are doing. Professionals. Wildlife biologists.
That's why the cost per coyote killed, or beaver killed, to the taxpayer, is in the several hundreds of dollars. Maybe thousands by now. Some of you computer literate guys should be able to look up cost of programs dived by the number of animals killed.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/10/19 08:34 AM
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My dad used cyanyde guns from well before I was born in 47. I grew up with them, and one day one went off and shot a pretty little 38 sized hole in the center of dads palm. He was a better part of a half mile away when it happened, and walked back to the house, where mom had a fit about taking him to the doc. Dad said, "I just walked a half mile from where it happened, if it was gonna kill me, it would have already happened"!
As for other things dying off the carcasses of the coyotes, I never saw one shred of evidence. I skinned many animals killed with getter guns, and believe that most of this is false info, designed by those that don't believe we should harm a blade of grass, but go mow their lawns every three days!
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: nyhuntfish]
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08/10/19 09:41 AM
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Might some confusion between cyanide (single use) and the problems they had with 1080 poison for lacing whole carcasses! 1080 is still used but is limited to sheep collars as far as I know, again single use collars.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/10/19 10:21 AM
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Cyanide guns have never been outlawed so far as I know. I know some were being used mid 70's in Colorado. Those were fired with a 38 case and the cyanide in place of the bullet. They have been used with a spring for a long while. Last I knew the guy setting them not only had to put out signs he had to have an antidote kit in reach while setting them. Had to pass an applicators test. There are rules. Like private property only. Guys set them and they don't get checked for weeks sometimes. Its not uncommon to find an old one that's been in place for years. I could go on about some of the predator control programs run by usda in particular, and some counties, but there is no point. Most people think if its the government doing it then they know what they are doing. Professionals. Wildlife biologists.
That's why the cost per coyote killed, or beaver killed, to the taxpayer, is in the several hundreds of dollars. Maybe thousands by now. Some of you computer literate guys should be able to look up cost of programs dived by the number of animals killed. Your charge that sometimes they don't get checked for weeks is the same charge they make on traps.Apparently ,only govt programs are open to these charges.Privately run programs apparently are all above reproach.
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
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08/10/19 10:26 AM
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What about secondary mortality of non-targets which feed upon the carcasses of these devices ?Seems to me that the cyanide poisoning & subsequent death of non-targets which scavenge the carcasses of the original target were a major factor for cyanide guns, etc being outlawed by federal legislation in the 1970's. Could you be any more clueless???? Please look into things before skying your colossal stupidity. Prussic acid aka B-17 aka Laetrile aka hydrogen cyanide is a NATURALLY OCCURRING organic compound that DISSIPATES AT 78.1F. It is not persistent in the environment and poses no long term risks. Almost like those who came up with the M-44's knew what they were doing. Unlike the majority of people commenting on the internet these days... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_cyanide https://www.britannica.com/science/hydrogen-cyanide#ref240237
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke "We are fast approaching... rule by brute force." -Ayn Rand
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Re: EPA keeps killing animals with cyanide?
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08/10/19 10:44 AM
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Might some confusion between cyanide (single use) and the problems they had with 1080 poison for lacing whole carcasses! 1080 is still used but is limited to sheep collars as far as I know, again single use collars. Unfortunately there are more than a few sheepmen here in the west that still have several lifetimes supply of 1080. Big sheep operation just to the west of me that still uses it regularly and I find dead coyotes laying on the property we hunt and manage.
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