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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: BernieB.]
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10/07/19 06:47 AM
10/07/19 06:47 AM
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Upper Michigan
Mack
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The reason for not shooting mature does is they will produce the best genetics and fawns next year. I am not focusing on your question, but the uninformed in my area, who always are shooting the "big doe" and then wondering where the "nice bucks" are. This years fawn will produce in most instances a single fawn next year of low quality. Going back to the Bible, it is why God wanted first born sacrifices as anyone with livestock knows first born are smaller animals, due to lack of milk production etc...
The issue is not the fawns making it. The issue is producing a healthier maternal foundation stock. The "fatty doe" in most instances, unless she is a horrid mother or her fawn is killed by something, is going to breed, and most likely produce two large and healthy fawns next year. I know you said you needed meat, but I would opt for shooting a fawn this season and if the does you are seeing are not going to be shot by other "big doe" hunters, you are going to be better served in a few years as these females produce better genetics in deer to hunt.
I refuse to shoot mature does, and make a point of it to educate other hunters. Yeesh, there is so much misinformation in this post I don't know where to start. First of all, you cannot tell genetics by looking at a doe, period. Secondly, a yearling will normally produce a single fawn, then after that, assuming there is good nutrition available, they will normally produce two fawns. Sometimes three, if there is abundant quality food and water. You also cannot tell the maternal characteristics of a doe by looking at her. By opting to shoot the fawn, you may be shooting the best genetics; there is absolutely no way to know genetics by looking at a deer. You also say that some does produce better genetics, but you don't specify what those genetics are: Body size?, Good maternal characteristics? Predator avoidance? Antler size? None of this makes any sense. Maybe you can clarify. Right on Bernie B.
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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10/07/19 06:55 AM
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Lugnut
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I shoot the first big doe that gives be a chance , an then I shoot the next one ,I hunt for meat !!!! ,an we have way to many doe's X 2 And then I shoot the third doe that gives me a chance.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 07:52 AM
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Three is about what we eat a year but we could easily do four!
And if a legal bucks happens by...
Eh...wot?
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 07:57 AM
10/07/19 07:57 AM
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B61-12 vicinity, MO
TreedaBlackdog
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I shoot fawns of the year as they are easier for me to handle, lift, get through the breastbone and just flat out tender. I normally leave does until after rut in hopes of them bringing around a buck. But, I have also shot my share of does after rut. Every year after gun season, the does really start popping up more and I always think I should have shot more. This has been the last 3-4 years. 30 years ago, I remember still having a single chance in gun season of seeing a deer I could shoot at. Times have changed for the better in the overall Missouri deer herd. All of us are truly blessed if we have the ability to decide what deer to harvest these days.
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 08:03 AM
10/07/19 08:03 AM
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spots come of with the hide i tell ya,i like more meat per tag though.
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 08:07 AM
10/07/19 08:07 AM
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tlguy
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Right on, BernieB. A doe passes on the same genetics to her first fawn as she does her last fawn. Her genetic makeup doesn't change with age. And she's only half the equation. She could be bred by a buck with good genetics one year and a buck with inferior genetics the next. It's not just the big mature bucks that do the breeding. But just like does, you can't tell all the genetics just looking at a buck, especially a young buck that might breed a doe while the mature buck is off fighting another buck.
I've also heard that does will push button bucks away before the breeding season to prevent inbreeding, but they're more willing to allow dpe fawns to stick around. So if you shoot a doe with a button buck, that buck is likely to stick around rather than be forced out.
If you're after meat, it makes no sense to shoot a fawn because there's very little meat to be had. Plus there's always a chance that fawn could turn out to be a button buck.
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 08:14 AM
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In close to 50 years hunting I have only took 3 whitetail deer. One in early 70's, one in mid 80's, and one 2013 all bucks and never shot a doe deer in my life. I have shot elk (cows) but not a deer doe.
Everyone can hunt how they want as long as it is legal but we just don't shoot anything to get deer meat. For me and many others conservation, sustainability, and future of herds need to be managed by all of us. It is a personal decision/choice how we hunt and what we take from the land that will result in what we have in the future.
I have no problem with what everyone wants to shoot (fawns, doe, small bucks, mature bucks) but what you hunt and do today, will dictate to what the future will be in your herds.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 08:18 AM
10/07/19 08:18 AM
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Snowy, you obviously don’t understand the different hunting conditions around the nation. Here in my area of Pennsylvania we are absolutely polluted with deer, the vast majority of them are does. The game commission realizes this and issues almost unlimited tags to kill them. Despite having done that for the last 10 to 15 years the population is stable, overpopulated.
So I am actually performing an important conservation measure by killing as many does that I do each year.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: Lugnut]
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10/07/19 08:48 AM
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Snowy, you obviously don’t understand the different hunting conditions around the nation. Here in my area of Pennsylvania we are absolutely polluted with deer, the vast majority of them are does. The game commission realizes this and issues almost unlimited tags to kill them. Despite having done that for the last 10 to 15 years the population is stable, overpopulated.
So I am actually performing an important conservation measure by killing as many does that I do each year. I absolutely know what you are talking about and all areas of this country is different. I don't get what you mean I don't obviously don't understand I can't see anything in any of my posts that I have said anything to what you are referring too, but what ever. Everyone has to manage what they kill I could care less what you do in your area what populations you have, you know, if legal kill what you want too, and conservation you are doing your part with the help from you DNR (limits etc.). Happy hunting.
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Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: Lugnut]
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10/07/19 10:03 AM
10/07/19 10:03 AM
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Snowy, you obviously don’t understand the different hunting conditions around the nation. Here in my area of Pennsylvania we are absolutely polluted with deer, the vast majority of them are does. The game commission realizes this and issues almost unlimited tags to kill them. Despite having done that for the last 10 to 15 years the population is stable, overpopulated.
So I am actually performing an important conservation measure by killing as many does that I do each year. counted 103 2 nights ago on a 4 mile ride.
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 10:05 AM
10/07/19 10:05 AM
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snowy
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^ wow! We have NO numbers like that at all.
Thanks
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: SGT. C]
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10/07/19 10:07 AM
10/07/19 10:07 AM
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30 yrs ago,25 guys would be hunting that valley,now i doubt 5 hunt it.
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: pcr2]
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10/07/19 11:04 AM
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Snowy, you obviously don’t understand the different hunting conditions around the nation. Here in my area of Pennsylvania we are absolutely polluted with deer, the vast majority of them are does. The game commission realizes this and issues almost unlimited tags to kill them. Despite having done that for the last 10 to 15 years the population is stable, overpopulated.
So I am actually performing an important conservation measure by killing as many does that I do each year. counted 103 2 nights ago on a 4 mile ride. Yeah, and our numbers here in the SRA are easily double that.
Eh...wot?
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Re: Shooting Does
[Re: John C]
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10/07/19 03:18 PM
10/07/19 03:18 PM
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jbyrd63
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Fawns can be weened at 8 weeks. The fawn will be fine. Take your does early. I shoot does (part of the leases agreement). BUT NEVER shoot them early. Walking buck bait. If you have does the bucks will come. !!!!!!!! Last weekend of rifle season and Dec muzzleloader is doe days for me. Plus less ticks and to dang hot to work up a deer early ...........
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