Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: mud]
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10/20/19 12:12 PM
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coonman220
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Buyers can't afford to pay more than 35 per cent deposit, increase it an less fur sales. Restructuring debt, is a chapter 13, bankruptcy. More of business bankruptcy, pay back some there debts or per cent of debts over 3-5 years, then the case is closed. Chapter 7 is liquidation bankruptcy, much quicker. Over in months, unless they find a lender who well help with extremely high interest rates for risky Loan, i doubt it, I wonder how nafa trouble well impact groenwold an other buyers prices? I doubt price increase, probly down ?
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: Catcollector]
#6644109
10/20/19 12:20 PM
10/20/19 12:20 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 16,700 north Idaho
wissmiss
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A dye stamp on the leather will not reduce the value... Cripes some tanneries punch holes for ID True. But it does prevent a legitimate buyer from returning unusable pelts.
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: wissmiss]
#6644126
10/20/19 12:51 PM
10/20/19 12:51 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,204 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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I just hope that FHA remains strong.
Too many eggs in one basket with NAFA, in a way. The emphasis needs to be just on wild fur, for our best interests.
In case you haven’t noticed, FHA has been offering more and more ranch fur every year, especially mink. The mink farmers have to go somewhere as they continue to bankrupt their Auction companies (American Legends Cooperative).
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: mud]
#6644133
10/20/19 12:58 PM
10/20/19 12:58 PM
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Posts: 23,851 Wisconsin
The Beav
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It looks like a waiting game.
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: bbrennan]
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10/20/19 02:02 PM
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hippie
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Or just get over it and accept you got hosed! And find a new buyer! I scaled back sending them fur after their stupid "internet" sale that hosed people selling. Ranch fur (flooding the market) really hurt the industry and this might not be the end of it.
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: Boco]
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10/20/19 03:13 PM
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 8,563 Henderson, N.Y. Jefferson Co.
walleyed
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FHA is a bit different. Their BOD consists of 4 native trappers representing their treaty trappers organizations,4 non native trappers from Ontario,1 trapper from the USA and one Rancher. BOCO is alive !!!!!! w
"Provisional/Interim" member of NYS Trappers Association Jefferson Co. Fur Harvesters
I Support Non-Resident Trapping
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: yukonjeff]
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10/20/19 04:09 PM
10/20/19 04:09 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,851 Wisconsin
The Beav
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Yup. wait for your money. I'm not waiting for any money so I didn't get hosed. Hopefully It will get fixed and If It does I'll send them my fur.
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: The Beav]
#6644296
10/20/19 05:14 PM
10/20/19 05:14 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,204 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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Yup. wait for your money. I'm not waiting for any money so I didn't get hosed. Hopefully It will get fixed and If It does I'll send them my fur.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: mud]
#6644328
10/20/19 06:08 PM
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Posts: 1,553 Saucier, Mississippi Harrison ...
turkn8rtrapper
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There could be so many reasons for this that are out of their control. I'm not trying to defend them, but as a business owner I experienced a similar situation when the housing market crashed in 05/06. Could be that after purchasing fur that something on the buyers end went sideways and caused a domino effect. The bank yanking the rug could be the result of a merger or corporate restructure. The new deal falling through could be risk management or any number of reasons. Remember lending institutions answer to the share holders just like any other large corporation. I'm not saying any of this happened but I would imagine it is a nightmare for the folks trying to unscrew what ever happened. I very much disagree with how they have handled it in not being forthcoming right from the start but the past is the past. Looks like they are at least trying to keep everyone informed now even if we don't like the information. Wissmiss pointed out what came to my mind right away. I will admit I don't know the answer but I do know they are working under Canadian law which is most likely much different than our banking and finance laws in the U S A. I just hope it gets resolved. I'm not sure even collectively the other buyers could deal the volume that NAFA does and many might not have the credit or financing to do it even if they could sell it all. As I see it their failure could be a bad thing for all trappers in North America. Let's hope it turns out favorably in which case I would hope that everyone would be made right and the industry would remain strong. I look at it with a Walmart philosophy. No one can compete with them not even the vendors which would be us in this case. They are so big they can dictate price to vendors. So if NAFA fails and someone steps in to fill the void it could actually be a bad thing. At least with them in the game everyone knows the players which should keep the playing field somewhat even.
"Skin that smokewagon and see what happens"
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Re: Latest from nafa
[Re: mud]
#6644331
10/20/19 06:12 PM
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Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,519 james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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FHA better build a bigger fur cooler,or there wont be no room for the beer for the convention.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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