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Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: Matt28] #6652541
10/29/19 08:41 PM
10/29/19 08:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Central New York State
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Ah! Man, never tried it.....but if canids LIKE the way it tastes and want more, then heck to the yes...........

MZ


Eastern Coyotes.......Western Numbers.

Check out Coyote U!

YouTube Channel: https://youtu.be/JGwORfXpwOo

www.coyoteu.com

Mark@coyoteu.com
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6652598
10/29/19 09:28 PM
10/29/19 09:28 PM
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Oklahoma
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Oklahoma
What do you put in the pipe mark?

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: Matt28] #6652643
10/29/19 10:01 PM
10/29/19 10:01 PM
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Central New York State
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Any bait or lure that the animal likes the flavor and wants more and lingers at the pipe...biting licking pulling......

Marty Smith/Keg Creek makes some stuff I really like: Nelson bait, 111 Decoy, SS........

Rusty Johnson: Lucky and 138

Mark Zagger: Pipe Dope (I don't sell it or ship it...just for students and conventions.......but RELAX as its NOT the silver bullet you seek!)

Russ Carman's Circle Maker and Circle Maker Magnum

If you have a lure maker you like and trust, talk to him/her and ask them what they make that fits the category of the first sentence I typed above.........

MZ


Eastern Coyotes.......Western Numbers.

Check out Coyote U!

YouTube Channel: https://youtu.be/JGwORfXpwOo

www.coyoteu.com

Mark@coyoteu.com
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6652806
10/30/19 06:46 AM
10/30/19 06:46 AM
Joined: Nov 2013
Oklahoma
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Oklahoma
Thanks, I bet I can find something to poke in there and try.

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: Zagman] #6652926
10/30/19 09:26 AM
10/30/19 09:26 AM
Joined: Feb 2011
Eastern Shore, MD
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Eastern Shore, MD
Originally Posted by Zagman
Originally Posted by RGW
Anyone use this set for foxes? How would you adjust this set back distance from the pipe for the smaller animal? Don't have many coyotes in my area yet and there have only been four killed or trapped in the past six years or so.


I know a guy that caught over 300 reds last year on pipes.......and yes, I'd say you probably would be a little closer to the pipe if no coyotes.

Screen color? I like black.....because I put such little cover on the screen.....and some of the black shows through but blends in better, I think, than silver. That said.....if that's all you have use it!

MZ


Thanks Zagman. A lot of rain her usually so this should help some with that.

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6654902
11/01/19 04:43 PM
11/01/19 04:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2015
Houghton Lake, MI
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Houghton Lake, MI
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Another pipe dream victim. This girl was out in the snow last night and found a pipe dream set I made 15 days ago. The weather has been wet and nasty. I had not touched this set at all from day one. We got a little snow overnight like a lot of you did.

Last edited by strike2x; 11/01/19 04:45 PM. Reason: Misspelling

Wish I had more time to trap....
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6655239
11/02/19 02:33 AM
11/02/19 02:33 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Rochester, MN
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Rochester, MN
I made 4 pipe dream sets 10-days ago on some grassy waterways where I’ve taken coyotes in the past. I’m using John Graham lures designed for the old M-44 grab and pull set up. Two were MB550s with grey aluminum screen and two were Montana #3 with black screen I got from Marty Smith-Keg Creek Lures. In a couple nights I took 3 reds and had one pull out.

With smaller (bamboo) pipes I’ve seem where the tops have been extremely chewed. Grey conduit holds up better. I’m using bait with the conduits and have taken coyotes and coon with it.

We had 2-inches of rain just before I set. And 1/2 inch after I set. I’m not a fan of bringing in dry dirt but bringing a small bag of dry grass is easy. This set (finally) connected for me and I’ll use it heavily in the future too


Never too old to learn
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: strike2x] #6655286
11/02/19 07:29 AM
11/02/19 07:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2015
West Cent IL
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West Cent IL
Originally Posted by strike2x
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Another pipe dream victim. This girl was out in the snow last night and found a pipe dream set I made 15 days ago. The weather has been wet and nasty. I had not touched this set at all from day one. We got a little snow overnight like a lot of you did.

You gotta love Marks bedding system. I had one that set in for about the same time as you rain snow freeze thaw repeat that connected. I even bed some of my 1 1/2 dukes for coon this way using my 3 inch auger for the hole. Goes real quick
J




Coyote 3
Coons 24
Bobcats 1 Released
Grinners All of them
USN AE2 VF-31 Tomcatters
Retired SMSGT IL ANG 183 Fighter Wing
Coyote U Class #4
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6655315
11/02/19 08:25 AM
11/02/19 08:25 AM
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Mark June OP
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Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6655430
11/02/19 11:59 AM
11/02/19 11:59 AM
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J Staton OP
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.
I'd use Johnson's Lucky but the ground rats here are too hard on their cousin (it's made with fresh beaver meat) and find it in 10 seconds.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.

Keep us filled in on the challenge. Successful or not, it should make for some interesting reading.

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6655479
11/02/19 01:30 PM
11/02/19 01:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2014
Va
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Va
Originally Posted by Mark June
Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.
I'd use Johnson's Lucky but the ground rats here are too hard on their cousin (it's made with fresh beaver meat) and find it in 10 seconds.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.


That will be quite a challenge. That dog has a masters degree in survival, please let us know how it goes.

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6655736
11/02/19 08:33 PM
11/02/19 08:33 PM
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Mark June OP
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I will indeed. And if Zagman's pipe dream does the deal rather than another set... I'll skin his coyotes for a year!
Not.

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6656116
11/03/19 09:48 AM
11/03/19 09:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2014
Va
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Va
Originally Posted by Mark June
I will indeed. And if Zagman's pipe dream does the deal rather than another set... I'll skin his coyotes for a year!
Not.

I would love to do a ride along on that trap line!

Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: Owen156] #6676550
11/26/19 11:47 PM
11/26/19 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Owen156
Originally Posted by Mark June
Zagman is a thinker and that's why he nails coyote after coyote on their terms where they choose to live. He can catch them in his home state, your home state or my home state. Why? Because he understands the doggies, what they want, and when they want it. I've used the pipe dream set and it's fun. Real fun sometimes when the traditional sets are blown over with snow and a yote is dancing in a circle of mud, and ice with a piece of pipe nearby!

I just got a call asking me to come a try to catch a coyote on a fenced ranch here NW of Houston that's killed > $100,000 of exotics in the last two years. 7 trappers have come and tried "everything" they told me. Everything. It's a male they tell me. Nobody can trap, snare, shoot, call, dog chase "him" they tell me. For two years they've tried all they can do, and still about once a week, they find a dead or injured critter that Mr. Coyote has worked over hard.

Now it'll be my turn come mid-November.
I gave them a hefty daily fee I charge. They gulped and said "OK, we just need you to catch this thing!!"
I think I'll bring some piping and a bit of Widowmaker paste bait.
I'd use Johnson's Lucky but the ground rats here are too hard on their cousin (it's made with fresh beaver meat) and find it in 10 seconds.

Zag, wish me luck on this dog pressured for two years by government and private trappers, helicopters, dog guys, and night vision callers! Go pipe dream go.


That will be quite a challenge. That dog has a masters degree in survival, please let us know how it goes.


Well, day 7 has lapsed and only two bobcats for the week thus far. Mr. Coyote is proving to be a Boone & Crockett. He's not moving much at all so far, here inside the 600 or so high fenced acres. Between myself and the hired hand, we've only cut a couple tracks twice. Ouch. No turds either as the buzzards eat them and the dung beetles are still out in force. But I'm a patient trapper and an optimist! I did learn trapper #7 has been coming out every two weeks for some months, setting traps and then the hired man checks them. The trapper resets each time he comes. Currently there are numerous traps laying snapped and visible here and there on the ranch.

I set a few more set today, real sneaky like, and we'll see what tomorrow brings.
So far, Zagman still has to skin his own yotes.

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Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6676557
11/26/19 11:55 PM
11/26/19 11:55 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
NW IL
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NW IL
So with the pipe dream bedding system is there any dirt under the jaws at all?


-Relentless pursuit-
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: DarkNight] #6676870
11/27/19 11:22 AM
11/27/19 11:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2015
West Cent IL
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West Cent IL
Originally Posted by DarkNight
So with the pipe dream bedding system is there any dirt under the jaws at all?


Just on the very edges to support the jaws and levers you will have the big hole under the middle of the trap . I use #2 duke and dogless bridgers I dig a hole about 5x5x5 then take my hammer and tap down the edges for the jaws and lever so the trap will be just a little below ground level. If there is any wobble I'll tap around the outside edge to pinch the dirt in just a little on the trap.
Go to Zags Coyote U site he has his write up on the pipe dream that will explain way better then me
J




Coyote 3
Coons 24
Bobcats 1 Released
Grinners All of them
USN AE2 VF-31 Tomcatters
Retired SMSGT IL ANG 183 Fighter Wing
Coyote U Class #4
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6677286
11/27/19 07:46 PM
11/27/19 07:46 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
NW IL
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NW IL
Thx!


-Relentless pursuit-
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6687574
12/08/19 10:55 PM
12/08/19 10:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2017
Up a creek MT
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Up a creek MT
Has anybody tried different color pipe? Blue orange red white grey?


Ya can't miss fur if yur traps are out somewhere.
Or so I've been told.
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: ] #6687586
12/08/19 11:20 PM
12/08/19 11:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Worley, Idaho
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Worley, Idaho
I tried some folded over aluminium screen today. Used a cutout of 1/2 inch plywood to form it. Not happy at all. I got to get the screen figured out. Was not sitting well at all on my MB 650.


When things are Grim, become the Grim Reaper!
Fred Moyer
Re: Pipe Dream ? [Re: jnsff69] #6687730
12/09/19 07:12 AM
12/09/19 07:12 AM
Joined: Apr 2012
new york
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new york
Blue pipe works the best.

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