Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: k snow]
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10/31/19 08:12 AM
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That just doesn’t seem right at all If that’s how it’s going to work. I should have the option to remove the perp from my house in a way I see fit to do it
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Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: ShawneeMan]
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10/31/19 08:32 AM
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It's what happens when police are "militarized" then attempt to look and act like an occupying army instead of law enforcement. They are civil servants - NOT the military - so why do they "need" grenade launchers, armored vehicles and automatic weapons? Wonder why the public doesn't trust them - could it be almost complete immunity from irresponsible behavior. IMHO - SWAT is a farce. I do support LE - but NOT on this level. X2
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Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: k snow]
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10/31/19 08:34 AM
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When my nephew got swatted for being despondent and suicidal. They threw one them flash bangs in attached garage window. Blew a quart of that stinking gear lube all over every thing. Good thing wasn't a gas can or probably would burned him out.. The amoured truck they drove up when knocked front door in broke the drive way concrete and the side walk... Never got a penny to fix that mess.. When nephew finally walked out holding the dog by collar, which had freaked out from flash bangs and gas.. They shot the crap out of nephew with bean bag rounds because he would let the dog run loose and lay down on ground. What I didn't understand was what happened to talking someone out. They just got tired of trying to talk to him so gassed the place...If some one would called me I'm sure I could have walked house and walked him out..I was trying to help him at the time so we had kind of a trust thing going..I found out on morning news.
I get not screwing around with some people get it done.. But some times I think them guys escalate things instead of de-escalating them.. And don't get me wrong I have family and friends working in law enforcement..I'm way far from a cop brasher..but still get disappointed sometimes..
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Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: Getting There]
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It's what happens when police are "militarized" then attempt to look and act like an occupying army instead of law enforcement. They are civil servants - NOT the military - so why do they "need" grenade launchers, armored vehicles and automatic weapons? Wonder why the public doesn't trust them - could it be almost complete immunity from irresponsible behavior. IMHO - SWAT is a farce. I do support LE - but NOT on this level. X2 X3!
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: k snow]
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10/31/19 09:05 AM
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I have seen first hand an out of control assault team. Before that day I was very pro law enforcement. Now I believe they need reined in.
The use of the term assault is accurate by the way. The weapons gear and tactics were all taken from an army basic squad combat tactics manual.
There is almost no holding them to account for irresponsible behavior. The name of the cop who killed an unarmed homeowner, inside his home, who had broken no laws, is being with held. He is going to be compensated for unpaid time off while the cover up was done. This all took place in Wichita awhile back and is called swatting now. The guy who called is in prison but not the trigger happy cop. He is still a cop.
Your neighbor calls you and says your daughter is being raped by another neighbor, you better get over there, so you kick in the door and kill the guy. Then find out the caller was jealous and the sex consensual, think you as a civilian would go to prison? I want to know why LE gets a pass.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: k snow]
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10/31/19 11:20 AM
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Here in Crime Bluff Arkansas our SWAT team killed a hundred year old man who was barricaded in his room. Made a lot of folks very mad down here. While I do support our Leo's sometime they go too far. All they had to do was leave him alone for a few hours and he would of fell asleep.
Old enough to know better, but dumb enough to still try.
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Re: Abuse of force?
[Re: k snow]
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10/31/19 12:29 PM
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I have to agree with K Snow. I have always supported LE and still do, but they seem to be getting out of hand, Shooting a armed or unarmed person 21 time is uncalled for. If I would shoot a intruder in my home 21 time I would be hung. Even if they were armed.
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Re: Abuse of force?
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At least in Iraq the homeowners would get a stack of cash right away to cover their loss. They also got to keep one ak47 per adult male in the house. That is a fully automatic rifle, not the civilian wanna be ak's we have here.
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