Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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She’s 2.5 years old. I bought her started out of North Dakota a week before thanksgiving. She stays in the house and is calm as could be. But get in the fields and her switch is flipped. She minds well but wants to chase everything from sparrows to deer. We’re hunting together pretty well. Although today I lost her and screamed my head off, hitting the shock collar only to find her on point 20 yards away. Cockbird at that! I felt 6 inches tall Do that a few times (sometimes just once) and you will make her bird shy. No more hunting. Get a beeper. Once you hunt with one you wont ever want to be without one
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
[Re: tomahawker]
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Had a beeper. I don’t want a beeper. Already mentioned running a gps collar, that is what I like. Dead batteries is why it happened. The gps controller vibes when on point, shows direction and distance to dog at all times. Up to like 8 miles away. Maps dog track and controller track. Records hunt tracks, will guide you to truck location and anything else you drop a pin on. You try that and you’ll love it. Garmin 430T. Has a lot of features I don’t use but the gps function is simple, quick and accurate.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Had a beeper. I don’t want a beeper. Already mentioned running a gps collar, that is what I like. Dead batteries is why it happened. The gps controller vibes when on point, shows direction and distance to dog at all times. Up to like 8 miles away. Maps dog track and controller track. Records hunt tracks, will guide you to truck location and anything else you drop a pin on. You try that and you’ll love it. Garmin 430T. Has a lot of features I don’t use but the gps function is simple, quick and accurate. I'd much rather use my ears than eyes to locate a dog on point. Birds don't hold forever, the quicker you get to your dog, the better off you'll both be.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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I can relate! Same thing happened to me! My dog would work farther and farther away trying to find birds. The next dog I’m thinking about is a Brittany. I heard they like to hunt a little closer. Which means less birds! So, I’m still thinking! It doesn't do you much good if your dog is working birds a quarter mile away from you. Pheasant run but grouse do, too. You want a dog that can relocate on a moving bird without bumping it but you want it working close enough to you to get a crack at the bird. I don't want a bootlicker but any dog that's working forty yards ahead of me is the dog I want.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Not wanting the p!$$ match. Thanks for all the comments. I’m out Not a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) match, gobs of experience.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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She’s 2.5 years old. I bought her started out of North Dakota a week before thanksgiving. She stays in the house and is calm as could be. But get in the fields and her switch is flipped. She minds well but wants to chase everything from sparrows to deer. We’re hunting together pretty well. Although today I lost her and screamed my head off, hitting the shock collar only to find her on point 20 yards away. Cockbird at that! I felt 6 inches tall Do that a few times (sometimes just once) and you will make her bird shy. No more hunting. Get a beeper. Once you hunt with one you wont ever want to be without one Just curious but does a beeper collar scare the birds? Out west the birds are real cautious
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Also, what’s everyone’s experience with a lab chasing birds? I had this problem this year and it was tough on my dog and fruitless because they’d finally come to a block and flush 80 yards away. I definitely have to fix this
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Also, what’s everyone’s experience with a lab chasing birds? I had this problem this year and it was tough on my dog and fruitless because they’d finally come to a block and flush 80 yards away. I definitely have to fix this Labs are typically a flushing dog and not a pointing breed. If you got the dog knowing it was a flusher, you need to control how closely it works. I didn't know anything about dogs when I first started out and was trying to get a Springer Spaniel to point. I was working against every instinct that was bred into the dog. Ninety percent of it is instinct, the dog has it or it doesn't. Getting a handle on the dog is the other ten percent.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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I’m not a big fan of collars, and have had a set for my last eleven dogs. Used one on a male lab that liked to run deer. Sparky ended that in one application. I’ve seen more dogs ruined than i’ve Ever seen helped. Couple pictures from last week in Sd. Conditions were real bad, with rotten ice under 6” of snow. Dogs and I both going through ice after chasing birds into the cattails. Ice would hold the birds but not the dogs, nor I. Came home after three days with a limping dog and four pair of soaked boots. Should be better next week after this cold spell. That Springer pup(Cash) turned 7 months old today. Got his first solo hen flush the last day we hunted. The bird on the far left in the tailgate shot is missing his tail feathers. Cash “helped” retrieve that one! Lol
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Also, what’s everyone’s experience with a lab chasing birds? I had this problem this year and it was tough on my dog and fruitless because they’d finally come to a block and flush 80 yards away. I definitely have to fix this Labs are typically a flushing dog and not a pointing breed. Yes I realize this but birds ran a lot on us this year and she chased them through some pretty tough brush that left her eyes, nose and lips a mess. I couldn’t buzz her back when she chases? But yes she is not a pointer
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Yes I realize this but birds ran a lot on us this year and she chased them through some pretty tough brush that left her eyes, nose and lips a mess. I couldn’t buzz her back when she chases? But yes she is not a pointer I didn't mean to sound pompous, my apologies. I've hunted over pointing dogs for a lot of years, both my own and others. Ninety percent of the game is having a obedient dog, that's if the instincts are there. I'd rather hunt over no dog than one that completely ignores its owner/handler and goes out self-hunting.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Bass10, I'm a lab guy, and have five now. The Springer came from my grandson who couldn't have it where he lived after getting it as a wedding present! Best thing I can tell you is to train your dogs to stay close at home, not in the field. Any dog will naturally push them hard until they learn the distance limits you impose. I run my dogs twice a day in a five acre field. When they get too far away call them back until they learn how far is too far. A puppy usually takes a long check chord/ leash for awhile, but just be consistent. After awhile they get the idea and will look or listen for you. That is real important to me, because I most often run several dogs at once, usually hunt alone, on CREP or Walk-in land open to the public, and in cattails taller than I am, so they need to keep track of me also. Birds flying out of a drive is quite common on hard hunted public ground. Not much you can do, but try to push them to points or corners, to better offer a shot. The worse the weather usually the longer they hold. I've hunted in fields that birds are so wild they flush 1/4 section ahead of you. Post blockers if you have them, but even then smart birds will come out the sides or where there are no blockers. I watched four roosters run down a drainage ditch and out the side of a five man drive from a hill top vantage point once. The guys never fired a shot, nor saw the birds! Old roosters don't get old being dumb.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Neat stuff. Pheasant hunting is, along with squirrel hunting, one of the earliest memories I have with my biological father, who died when I was a pup. I can remember playing the part of the flusher/retriever dog while chasing roosters when I was likely only 3-4 years old. There were pheasants up the ying AND the yang back in those days. During the war (before my time) my brother would slowly drive the car around the section for our father.....who sat in the passenger seat with the .22 rifle poked out the window. They'd go around the section and my dad would shoot a good mess of birds for Sunday dinner. Meat was rationed and all those roosters cost was a little gas and a small number of .22 shells. I still own that rifle. They were still thick until my memories were formed in the late 50's. There aren't many birds nowadays. I once had an uncle drive to our place, from an upstate area without pheasants, so he could get some birds to eat. He loved wild rooster meat. My father had to work and couldn't hunt with him that day, so he lined up a friend to take my uncle hunting. They stomped around and both men filled their 2 bird limits. My uncle was given all 4 birds to take back north. Well it was about dusk when he left. As he was leaving my father told him he'd taken the .22 to work and went hunting on his way home afterwards, and would my uncle like his birds too. Uncle was thrilled to have them. The Old Man went to the barn and grabbed a gunny sack that was "filled with skinned pheasants". My father put them in the back seat and told my uncle that he wanted pheasant meat, and he now had some! During the heyday of Michigan pheasant hunting, it was as if there were so many birds they were like locusts to some farmers. That all ended by the 70's. Nice story J.Morse!
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Ninety percent of the game is having a obedient dog, that's if the instincts are there. I'd rather hunt over no dog than one that completely ignores its owner/handler and goes out self-hunting.
Sounds like the dog I hunt over. Bad manners, runs way ahead, doesn't come when called. Hunting Grouse and woodcock. Have to have a beeper/GPS on the dog. She will point 125yds away and without beeper/gps and bell only you'd never find her. She is poor on following a moving bird. So she does reasonably good on pointing woodcock, poor on Grouse. And woodcock do run/move even with a dog on them. We saw it last year, a woodcock ran across the logging road leaving the dog behind pointing where it started from. Woodcock ran approx. 15 yards. Had to get dog off old point and get her to area that the bird ran to. She started pointing again only to have bird flush about 10 yards ahead of dog.
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Re: 4 hard days bird hunting
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Bass10, I'm a lab guy, and have five now. The Springer came from my grandson who couldn't have it where he lived after getting it as a wedding present! Best thing I can tell you is to train your dogs to stay close at home, not in the field. Any dog will naturally push them hard until they learn the distance limits you impose. I run my dogs twice a day in a five acre field. When they get too far away call them back until they learn how far is too far. A puppy usually takes a long check chord/ leash for awhile, but just be consistent. After awhile they get the idea and will look or listen for you. That is real important to me, because I most often run several dogs at once, usually hunt alone, on CREP or Walk-in land open to the public, and in cattails taller than I am, so they need to keep track of me also. Birds flying out of a drive is quite common on hard hunted public ground. Not much you can do, but try to push them to points or corners, to better offer a shot. The worse the weather usually the longer they hold. I've hunted in fields that birds are so wild they flush 1/4 section ahead of you. Post blockers if you have them, but even then smart birds will come out the sides or where there are no blockers. I watched four roosters run down a drainage ditch and out the side of a five man drive from a hill top vantage point once. The guys never fired a shot, nor saw the birds! Old roosters don't get old being dumb. Thanks Rally, my girl is 4 now and I originally trained her for pheasants and shed hunting. We don't have wild birds but do a few pen raised hunts a year and one trip to Iowa. I think when dogs aren't hunting the way you want them to it falls directly on me. We've only had her to Iowa twice now. I'm thinking she is not getting on them close enough to me but doing what Posco said and actually out self-hunting? But the ones she was getting on close would take off and she'd go after them and I didn't want to call her back off of them. I've got some work to do before next year and have about 30 pen raised birds left but they are completely different and don't tend to run like wild birds. I need to find a forum so I can ask some people that have been down this road. I paid good money when she was 6 months old on training but I probably won't do that again.
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