Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Hydropillar]
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12/07/19 01:23 PM
12/07/19 01:23 PM
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I noticed the NTSB guy said visibility was one half mile. The minimum viz for IFR take off, in single engine, is one statute mile
EDIT: I just looked at that airport. Two runways; one is 4300 feet and the other is 3400. I'll bet he used all most all of whichever one he was using. you right on runway lengths... not sure where i got that 8000 ft i quoted... definitely wrong i didnt know that about 1 statue mile for ifr... is it less for a twin?? No it is not less for a twin. Three engines or more drops the minimums to one half mile GENERALLY. But specific airports still may not support the lower minimums due to things like surrounding terrain features, trees, poles and , of course, the length of the runway AND the approaches to the runway. If you can't return and land on the runway you are departing, you shouldn't be departing at all. The key thing to remember is that landings are mandatory. Takeoffs are not. Good judgement will keep you alive
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/07/19 04:35 PM
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I measured the main runway (the one that is paved, I see the other one now is grass) at work with Google Earth. Don't know how I got over 8,000 feet. Just measured the paved runway in Google Map here and its about 4,300 feet which matches this published info... http://www.airnav.com/airport/9v9
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/17/19 05:19 PM
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A tragedy for sure. I read the preliminary report, had to look up empennage.
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/17/19 05:59 PM
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Cockpit stall warning came on 1 second after takeoff, sounds like they had trouble from the get-go. But like what happens so many times it was probably more than one problem combined with another problem(s) that caused the ultimate crash.
I know what a "stick shaker" is, but what's a "stick pusher"?
Last edited by waggler; 12/17/19 06:00 PM.
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/17/19 06:26 PM
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That 7MPH wind is suspect.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/17/19 08:42 PM
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I used to suffer from "get-home-itis" when I was younger; no more. I'm always ready to bivouac, always feel right about it when I do it.
Usually I'm out alone, or at least when others are present I'm more or less in charge. That makes it easy when it's necessary to make the decision to stay put. When you're with a group of people (usually greenhorns) it's often difficult for some people to stand firm on the right decision.
Sad situation, so many needless deaths.
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: white17]
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12/17/19 09:03 PM
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That 7MPH wind is suspect. Note too that he was on runway 31 and the wind was @ 020. That's 70 degrees OFF the nose. Almost a 90 degree crosswind. If the wind was indeed 7mph he could handle that but 40 mph would be challenging I sat out there that night the truck was rocking from the wind that’s a pretty big difference for just a few hours.
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/17/19 09:07 PM
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As the saying goes
Theres old pilots theres Bold pilots but theres no old bold pilots/
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Hydropillar]
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12/17/19 09:42 PM
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As the saying goes
Theres old pilots theres Bold pilots but theres no old bold pilots/ Every once and a while I fly with one of the few "old bold pilots". Only by necessity though. He's crashed a couple of times, don't really know how he's survived so long. Another one would be the late Bob Harte, cancer got him, not his plane.
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Re: Plane crash today.
[Re: Law Dog]
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12/19/19 08:59 PM
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4,277 Lbs is what it said he had left for fuel, people and gear. I would guess he was about maxed out weight wise, add a little ice and she won't fly. He just put on 150 gallons of fuel on top of what was left. 12 people and gear add up pretty fast.
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