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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6705951
12/25/19 09:13 PM
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Goldenrod tops is what we use to bed our traps, then some peat moss. Here in PA we have been getting freeze-thaw-rain-freeze-thaw-rain for years, and anything that holds water will hold water, and any water on your set will freeze and make the trap inoperable. So we try to get the trap jaws elevated a bit, definitely not touching native dirt, which freezes every night, and surround them with something that is dry and won't freeze, and which will drain well after a light rain. Heavy rains are brutal on every trap bed but waxed dirt.

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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6706187
12/26/19 07:45 AM
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AJE,
Check Zagger's Coyote U website. I thought he posted on here that he would have a video of how he does his trap beds for Pipe sets. Maybe you could gain some ideas to use.

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6706230
12/26/19 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by thedude055
I have heard from quite a few folks on youtube videos and what not to not worry too much about trap levers freezing down to the ground. Being new to using wax dirt and trapping in a much colder environment than i used to i continue to make mistakes. Yesterday with plans to move a few sets i went to set off a few perfectly wax dirted sets and found them dead in the water. Wax dirt worked perfectly on top but the levers froze down. Out of 8 traps moved 3 were froze down. These three traps in particular have been set since the day after thanksgiving and not touched. So to shorten the thread. Make sure you have either wax dirt or a different non freezing agent under the traps as well in the colder climates.


Dude make sandwich out your trap wax dirt bottom and top. Trap in the center .holds up the best.


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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6706268
12/26/19 10:04 AM
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Yes, you need to put dry dirt and freeze proofing under the trap. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't. It really isn't going to take that much extra to do that anyway.

I don't go to youtube to learn anything about trapping. It seems like there is a never ending stream of idiots with no real knowledge imitating things they have seen in other videos. There definitely are some great channels as well, but it takes some discerning to sort through the bad.

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6706280
12/26/19 10:27 AM
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Thank you for the responses guys. And Mark June if you do happen to see this response it was on a youtube thread i have since quit watching anyways once i found out some more personally about the person. Second note Mark that Coon chum is rocking it on a late season warm up we got here draggin in coon.


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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6706306
12/26/19 11:02 AM
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I bed my traps almost exactly like yukonal does (when I'm not bedding like zagger) . The one problem I have found is the waxed dirt working its way up under the pan from the bottom making for some very heavy pan tension (especially with traps like the bridger #2s that have a large pan and very little clearance under the pan ). Pan covers don't do anything to alleviate this . I've tried a lot of different things with varying results . The best method I've found is what Lames Lucero describes in his book master wolfer . Take a plastic sandwich bad (the kind that has the flap you fold over) put some fiberglass or pipe insulation in it (he adds a little salt into the bag , I haven't yet and have had no issues) fold the bag up , squeeze the air out and tape it closed shove it under the pan then wiggle the trap into place like yukonal does . No dirt can get in from under or over the pan . The trap is sandwiched in waxed dirt and stays functional without pan tension interference . The only problem is when you get a good rain then a hard freeze . The waxed dirt holds the water on top of the trap bed (I bed level with the surrounding ground and still have this problem) and it freezes like a solid plate over the trap . A coyote can dance all over the trap but its weight is distributed over the whole trap bed and it won't fire . The plate has to be removed but it comes off very easy . Deep snow does the same . I prefer the Zagger method but I have had a number of traps freeze down without even a speck of dirt over the levers or jaws . The pans have been depressed but the levers and jaws are being held by frozen ground from the bottom of the levers and the sides of the jaws (4 coiled extreme Jr's) . I'm working on a way to prevent that .

Re: Traps froze down [Re: VH60] #6706329
12/26/19 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by VH60
I bed my traps almost exactly like yukonal does (when I'm not bedding like zagger) . The one problem I have found is the waxed dirt working its way up under the pan from the bottom making for some very heavy pan tension (especially with traps like the bridger #2s that have a large pan and very little clearance under the pan ). Pan covers don't do anything to alleviate this . I've tried a lot of different things with varying results . The best method I've found is what Lames Lucero describes in his book master wolfer . Take a plastic sandwich bad (the kind that has the flap you fold over) put some fiberglass or pipe insulation in it (he adds a little salt into the bag , I haven't yet and have had no issues) fold the bag up , squeeze the air out and tape it closed shove it under the pan then wiggle the trap into place like yukonal does . No dirt can get in from under or over the pan . The trap is sandwiched in waxed dirt and stays functional without pan tension interference . The only problem is when you get a good rain then a hard freeze . The waxed dirt holds the water on top of the trap bed (I bed level with the surrounding ground and still have this problem) and it freezes like a solid plate over the trap . A coyote can dance all over the trap but its weight is distributed over the whole trap bed and it won't fire . The plate has to be removed but it comes off very easy . Deep snow does the same . I prefer the Zagger method but I have had a number of traps freeze down without even a speck of dirt over the levers or jaws . The pans have been depressed but the levers and jaws are being held by frozen ground from the bottom of the levers and the sides of the jaws (4 coiled extreme Jr's) . I'm working on a way to prevent that .


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Re: Traps froze down [Re: MNCedar] #6706640
12/26/19 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MNCedar
Yes, you need to put dry dirt and freeze proofing under the trap. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't. It really isn't going to take that much extra to do that anyway.

I don't go to youtube to learn anything about trapping. It seems like there is a never ending stream of idiots with no real knowledge imitating things they have seen in other videos. There definitely are some great channels as well, but it takes some discerning to sort through the bad.

you are so right, and your so-right observation can apply also to reloading, logging, sawmills, antique and black powder firearms, and all sorts of other potentially catastrophically bad things that can go wrong. And the guys who post the YT videos are the least experienced, least knowledgeable about them. And 99% of the trapping videos on YT are done in flat farm country with beautiful loamy soil in perfect fall weather, none of which exists where I live (more rocks than dirt in most of our fields and all of our forests).

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6707377
12/27/19 10:14 AM
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I forgot to add, I use a pretty good wad of poly under the pan...so dirt migrating there is a non-issue.

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6707384
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I will be switching to some sort of underpan device next year be it polyfil or insulation or something. I am not happy with any of the pan cover systems i have employed this year.


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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6707493
12/27/19 12:32 PM
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I use the pipe insulation. Tear off a 6 or 7 inch piece, fold it in half, put it under the pan and set the night latch. Works great.

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6707577
12/27/19 02:06 PM
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I like to experiment, try different things. If you can carry enough waxed dirt to fully bed traps that's probably the best way.

Two years ago I used a different method. Conditions were soft mud during day that would freeze solid at night. I cut lath into 1" long pieces and dipped them in wax; Put 1 piece under each lever and under each trap jaw. I covered traps with flexible aluminum screen cut wide enough to extend 1/4" to 1/2" OVER trap jaws. Just a few strands of grass was used on top of pan covers with a bit of dirt to keep the grass from blowing away.

It took a little extra time to make sets but it worked in all conditions for both cats and yotes, You may think extended pan covers over jaws would be caught between trap jaws but it is not because it is flexible enough to bend when trap fires with a foot on the pan to hold the screen down.

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Re: Traps froze down [Re: Furvor] #6707607
12/27/19 02:46 PM
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Good idea using cut pieces of lath. I assume use same wax on laths used for traps?


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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6707657
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Yes. Throw a bunch into hot wax, dip them out to dry.

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6710646
12/30/19 07:44 AM
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Does anybody here use longsprings? Are they less prone to the springs freezing down?

Re: Traps froze down [Re: yukonal] #6713740
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Yukonal has some great advice about lifting the trap to let wax dirt get underneath it. Saves on the wax dirt as well

Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6713770
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I am back, to whine to whoever will kindly listen, about this issue. Third year in a row of freeze-thaw-rain cycle in northern PA. Because peat moss forms our trap beds, we don't get any freeze-down until the peat moss is soaked. Takes about a week of steady rain to necessitate a trap bed cleanout and new peat moss. The biggest challenge this past week was we started out chipping trap beds in hard frozen ground, then lining hole with peat moss, then bedding the trap. Then warm rainy weather appeared. With the ground thaw the traps started to move slightly, and we lost several animals that stepped on slightly loose traps and backed off. Very frustrating. Whine whine whine. Any suggestions are welcome, and I may try that waxed lathe idea suggested by Furvor above. Usually whatever sticks are handy are used, but they can freeze down if they are at all damp. Having another lousy season due to this wet weather, and anything to move things forward are welcome.
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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6713779
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I do the Zagger method a little different. Down here freezing isn't really an issue but rain and more rain is. I have a gas powered auger from Harbor freight. I use the 6" bit to drill my trap bed about 6" deep. Then a cookie cutter for the trap. I collect all the dirt then drive the anchor in the bottom of the hole. I use #3 Bridgers and K-9 Extremes. The trap fits perfect except sometimes I add a little dirt at the jaws for good bedding. All the chain fits down in the hole with plenty of room. I use screen pan covers but I'm sure sandwich bags and wax paper would so just as well. I cover with a littler dirt or grass I collect from the site. Another trick for guiding Lesel Reuwsaat showed me was take 3 or 4 sticks of broom sage and lay it across the center of the trap bed before bedding the trap. It bends up at an angle on each side of the trap and can be adjusted and looks natural.


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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6713789
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PAlltheway: use wax dirt.

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Re: Traps froze down [Re: thedude055] #6713816
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Over Waxed dirt is THE answer! Very little maintenance required . The only time its out of commission is an ice storm..


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