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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Law Dog] #6717383
01/05/20 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Being cynical is easy but if this guy was busting deer in your hunting grounds I bet you would not be so sympathetic then. LOL FYI I have seen people trying to substance hunt illegally that were given community service instead of cash fines, going “after” the poor would not be a great plan in most cases.

I would guess from the charges it was not this guys first rodeo in the poaching game and his layer sucked but most likely he pled guilty to all charges rather then plea bargain them down. Stop making excuses for stupid

I would guess that it's his first offense, he's poor and the State wants to both gain excessive revenue and by high fines in outdoors related incidents, deter hunting, trapping and fishing.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717385
01/05/20 12:00 PM
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LOL OK!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Law Dog] #6717387
01/05/20 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
LOL OK!

I thought we were playing the guessing game, LOL OK! grin


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717391
01/05/20 12:10 PM
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My views came from my experiences maybe yours did also. wink

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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Finster] #6717399
01/05/20 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Finster
Good for him. The fines don't seem very high though with all of those charges.


X2 and he should be banned for 10 years or more.


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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Law Dog] #6717418
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
My views came from my experiences maybe yours did also. wink

As a matter of fact I have experienced a lot of people who guess and insinuate lol. My point is that it seems as though outdoor related fines are increasing. Lets face it, less and less faculty in DNR's and DOW's are actual hunters, trappers and fishermen. Imo, I believe heavy fines may be another tool to deter people from either continuing to hunt and trap or taking it up. Example, what if you accidentally left a slug in your pocket during muzzleloading season and the fine was 2000 bucks? I will explain, before you insinuate that I don't believe in following the law, I do believe in following the law and punishment according to the crime. Let's fine a guy 20,000 bucks for shooting a big buck, but let a pothead get court cost and 8 counseling sessions for growing a patch of weed.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717448
01/05/20 01:29 PM
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It seems the idea that only poor people poach or spotlight is nuts our biggest group of abusers are far from that. If the guy pleaded guilty to all charges then he gets all charges then in most cases. If he admits it he gets it that’s what he agreed to, those fines are there to discourage that behavior that takes from everyone not to encourage it.

You can do the apple oranges all day long it’s a endless game.


Last edited by Law Dog; 01/05/20 01:31 PM.

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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Catch22] #6717560
01/05/20 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Let's fine a guy 20,000 bucks for shooting a big buck, but let a pothead get court cost and 8 counseling sessions for growing a patch of weed.


Guy should get 20 years hard labor for growing a patch of weed, and then hang him !!! laugh

Last edited by walleyed; 01/06/20 09:05 AM.

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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717566
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it seems pretty wrong to me to punish a guy more severely for poaching a deer than he would get for shooting a calf to eat. Even if he is just worshipping antlers. Nobody owns a deer


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717584
01/05/20 04:23 PM
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I tried to find how many deer he poached, but all I could find was a previous arrest.

"Jensen R. Schmitt, 21, Newark, driving under a non-pay or judgment suspension."

How many deer did he poach?

Keith

Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: loosegoose] #6717604
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
What good will taking his hunting privileges away for three years do? He's already proven that he'll hunt whether he's supposed to or not. Lock him up for three years instead.

Lock him up for 3 year and cost the tax payers money over a deer? That has got to be the stupidest thing ever. If he had killed 20 of them and left them lay with out eating them maybe do some time. But spot lighting a deer and get 3 years in jail is nuts. It's a deer, not the end of the world. Dang thing probley would have ran across a road and kill some poor family anyway

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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717657
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20,000 some deer are reported hit by vehicles every year in Ohio at around $4000.00 damage per accident. Close to 2 dozen people are killed by deer collisions every year in Ohio. They do even more damage to crops and landscaping.

Keith

Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: KeithC] #6717686
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Originally Posted by KeithC
I tried to find how many deer he poached, but all I could find was a previous arrest.

"Jensen R. Schmitt, 21, Newark, driving under a non-pay or judgment suspension."

How many deer did he poach?

Keith

I don't see in the charges where he actually killed a deer Keith, he was trying to apparently.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717754
01/05/20 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Catch22
I don't see in the charges where he actually killed a deer Keith, he was trying to apparently.

" failure to check game" In OH do you check game if you come home empty handed?


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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: MJM] #6717796
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by Catch22
I don't see in the charges where he actually killed a deer Keith, he was trying to apparently.

" failure to check game" In OH do you check game if you come home empty handed?

Yep, your right MJM, I didn't see that thank you. I wonder now like Keith, how many.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Matt28] #6717828
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Originally Posted by Matt28
Originally Posted by loosegoose
What good will taking his hunting privileges away for three years do? He's already proven that he'll hunt whether he's supposed to or not. Lock him up for three years instead.

Lock him up for 3 year and cost the tax payers money over a deer? That has got to be the stupidest thing ever. If he had killed 20 of them and left them lay with out eating them maybe do some time. But spot lighting a deer and get 3 years in jail is nuts. It's a deer, not the end of the world. Dang thing probley would have ran across a road and kill some poor family anyway

Agree whole heartedly.

Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6717927
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2 generations from now poaching will be the norm


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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: B. Shope] #6717997
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Originally Posted by B. Shope
2 generations from now poaching will be the norm

3 generation ago it was the norm. No one cared about only big horns and all the land wasnt leased up. When I was a kid I remember hearing the old men talk about when they were young pulling in the peanut fields and killing 5 or 6 deer going and skinning them and feed all there family's. Guess back then when there was alot of farming they deer was very hard on the crops.

Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6718226
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Actor, You mentioned he had bad luck. I don't agree. Sounds to me like he made bad choices. I don't see where luck had anything to do with it !


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Re: Everything in the book - Arrest [Re: Actor] #6718239
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I will drop a dime on anybody I see spotlighting. It is dangerous. Poaching when I was a kid was 100% about food. People talked about antlers but not like today. Nobody would pay thousands of dollars for a set of antlers that had not been entered into the "book" like they will today. It doesn't say anything good about modern deer hunting when people are willing to pay huge sums of money to get their name into a book by buying illegally gained antlers.

Honest people will pay huge sums of money to get their name into it lawfully. I don't understand the need for validation by so many.

When I called KS fish and wildlife to complain about the high cost of tags here, I was told hunting deer for food was wrong. You can still buy multiple tags though. Pretty sad when the state agency tasked for setting limits and fees is only concerned about more money.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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