End Grain Flooring?
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I am planning on installing 4"x6"x3/4" end grain wood tiles on a cantilevered three season porch (solarium). It has been sitting there with only OSB subflooring since I built the house over 30 years ago. It is a long, narrow room, approx. 8'x24', with a planned herringbone or basketweave pattern.
The question is can I just use tile adhesive over the OSB? Or do I need to add an underlayment such as cement board?
Any experience??
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Depending upon the condition of the OSB, I think I would put down a layer of 1/4" plywood so your adhesive had a clean surface to bond to. I don't think cement board would be necessary but see what the instructions call for.
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You will be amazed and stupified if it ever gets wet!
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There ain't no instructions. I'm ripping the timbers on my bandsaw mill, and cutting the "tiles" with a cutoff miter saw. I'm thinking that 1/4" plywood is a good idea, probably in A/C Not nearly the pain of cement board and should provide a decent bond.
As far as getting wet, I ain't afraid: they will be well sealed.
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If I was putting wood "tiles" on a plywood floor, I'd use wood glue, adhesive or epoxy rather than a tile adhesive. Normal shrinkage/expansion of wood products would seem to be asking for trouble with tile adhesive.
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I hadn't yet considered the specific adhesive. This project is still in the planning stage. I still need to rip, cut, and dry the tiles. Probably won't be ready to install for another six months.
You have a very good point, though. I know there are plenty of wood adhesives available that get troweled on. Very similar to tile adhesive, but, intended for wood. Without your reminder I just may grabbed the wrong one without thinking.
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I've seen the floor your talking about on YouTube and think it looks really cool. Thought about doing that myself one day but very labor intensive! Extremely durable no doubt!
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If I was putting wood "tiles" on a plywood floor, I'd use wood glue, adhesive or epoxy rather than a tile adhesive. Normal shrinkage/expansion of wood products would seem to be asking for trouble with tile adhesive. Because of that in bold above, I think such a project is doomed to failure. I worked in a cabinet shop with an end grain floor. The pieces were about 1 1/2" x 4" x 6"long. During humid parts of the summer the floor had a slight hump and in the winter cracks opened an filled with saw dust. It can be very hard to keep even the more stable species of wood from moving. If a piece contains the pith(center growth ring), radial shrinkage/cracking will give you problems
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what wood are you planning to use or different varieties? I'm going through my woodpile right now trying to make that decision. I have oak, ash, elm, maple, and walnut available. Strangely, though, I am leaning toward cottonwood. It is really a pretty wood, and not valuable for anything else. If I go with the basketweave I'll probably alternate with a much darker, or lighter wood, such as walnut or birch. Are you planning on sanding the floor once you have it installed? Sanding after installation will surely be necessary. Even with the best cutting jig, I know I'll have some variation in heights. I think such a project is doomed to failure It wouldn't be my first failure! Oh, well, nothing ventured; nothing gained.
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This room gets very little traffic, so, no concerns about durability as related to wear.
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Realistically, with a Janka hardness in the 300's it isn't even as hard as some pines. I have no plans to press a .440" steel ball into it, though. Wood is usually rated for its bending and shear strength, This stuff is in compression, No forklifts are going to go rolling down it, so no worries.
Even as a dance floor I doubt Chubby Checker could phase it.
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While I have not seen that, I know that baseboard can cover a decent gap.
Expansion joint down the middle? Interesting! I'll keep that in mind as I work out the pattern. It just might be a natural with herringbone.
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