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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6736629
01/19/20 10:18 PM
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Fox seem to like the pipe too. Actually the second fox in the same set with the same screen. First one tore up the natural backing so I put one of my logs there. Pipe is right at the edge of the pic.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6736752
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The pipe concept seems to be revolutionizing trapping

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: AJE] #6736792
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Originally Posted by AJE
My 1st pipe set, this 1 being for bobcat. A cat walked by here a week or 2 ago, so figured I better get a set in.


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Looks pretty good. You've blocked the cat from coming in behind and you got the guiding in place. All you need is a cat to come strolling by. Flagged?

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6736811
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A cherry coke can hangin in left side of pic with a loud call lure (Trapper Art's Nitro) smeared on the pop top tab.


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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Boxbirder] #6738408
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Originally Posted by Boxbirder
When you say 300 K9s are they fox or coyotes

The guy with the videos came up after Ed Snyder or Coon creek. he skins off the front of his truck has videos from the class also.


If someone knows which video or trapper he is talking about, I'd love to see a link to it, as I cannot find it. Everyone I see is NOT one of my guys......

MZ


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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6738671
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I cant find it right now, he was using big montgomery traps, his other videos had piles of mink.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6738864
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How many of those sets would have caught critters If It had been a regular dirt hole Instead of a pipe.


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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6738879
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Beav I did a new one today. Drove a pipe in a small dirt hole. It’s just above flush with the ground. Different and I was bored. Draped some grass over it slightly. That set has been froze down for a while and worked pretty hard. Wanted to give them a different look. We’ll see.




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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: The Beav] #6738951
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Originally Posted by The Beav
How many of those sets would have caught critters If It had been a regular dirt hole Instead of a pipe.


31.65% of course.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: The Beav] #6738954
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Originally Posted by The Beav
How many of those sets would have caught critters If It had been a regular dirt hole Instead of a pipe.

I haven’t caught any in a flooded dirt hole set...but I have in a flooded pipe set.
I set according to the forecast for the next 10 days.
Whatever the % of rain is % I set pipe sets.
We had NO rain forecasted for the 8 days once I started this new property and forecasted our coldest temps yet...majority are dirt holes.
We have rain coming up next week, so after a catch this week I’ll move the trap over and make a pipe set.
It’s not “the” new way to trap or meant to replace any of the tried and proven methods. It just leaves sets open for business during inclement weather.
And this is just my take on it...take it or leave it.
I will say this week, the dirt holes are killing it!

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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6738963
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ADC is wrong! Correct answer is 31.78%. wannabe nailed it.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6738972
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So no one uses flat sets In rainy weather. Wouldn't a piece of bone a skull or a tuft of grass work the same as a piece of pipe?


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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: The Beav] #6738993
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Originally Posted by The Beav
So no one uses flat sets In rainy weather. Wouldn't a piece of bone a skull or a tuft of grass work the same as a piece of pipe?


Lol, it’s not the “pipe” it’s the way it’s bedded. You can use a deer leg if you want. A pipe just keeps the bait above ground and “generally” not flooded.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6739010
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So you can't bed the trap the way Zag beds his trap at the pipe set at a flat set?
Maybe we should do the can on the stake that Clint uses. LOL
I think I'll ask Robert how many pipe sets he makes. I already know the answer and He's now working In flooded conditions.

Not saying the Pipe set doesn't work. I used a chunk of bamboo 20 years ago to hold lure/bait at the set but I still had the dirt hole.


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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wanna Be] #6739316
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be

I set according to the forecast for the next 10 days.

I wish I could find a weather forecast that accurate. Weather forecasters are great people & talented, but in my area I don't look more than about 2 days ahead, maybe ~3.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: The Beav] #6739409
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Originally Posted by The Beav
So no one uses flat sets In rainy weather. Wouldn't a piece of bone a skull or a tuft of grass work the same as a piece of pipe?

The trouble of course with a bone is that we have to cover it (based on my legal interpretation) whereas a pipe doesn't have to be covered per se, as long as feathers or bait aren't sticking out of the pipe.

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: The Beav] #6739428
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Originally Posted by The Beav
So you can't bed the trap the way Zag beds his trap at the pipe set at a flat set?
Maybe we should do the can on the stake that Clint uses. LOL
I think I'll ask Robert how many pipe sets he makes. I already know the answer and He's now working In flooded conditions.

Not saying the Pipe set doesn't work. I used a chunk of bamboo 20 years ago to hold lure/bait at the set but I still had the dirt hole.



Beav, I know you are playing, so I will play!

When I am in Kansas, like Robert, pretty much 100% holes except for sand blows where we can't get a hole to stay, well, a hole. The pipes allow us to make a "flat" set with our stink above ground. We leave pipe sticking out so the sand (like snow) doesn't cover it.

People go west to trap because of a general plan that it'll be dry. The east and Northeast is NOT the west. We dig a hole here and the hole fills with water from the ground, not rain. If not rain, ever heard of Lake Effect Snow. I live in an area that gets snow Oct-April, 100-200-300 inches a year.

I've said a 1000 times, the pipe was the LAST thing I added to this approach.........I used bamboo, T-bones (still do) Grab and Die sticks (wood dowels wrapped with wool or felt) with my bedding method and steel screen and grass. Bamboo (one time use) T-Bones eventually break Grab and Die one time use. Can't drive bamboo into hard or frozen ground without pilot. Same with wood dowels.

Pipes? I have hundreds and hundreds of them, many 10 years old or older. Its cheap or free to most guys.

In the snow and heavy rain, it gets my stink above ground and I simply do better with it than traditional dirt holes.

Many many good trappers I know did NOT use pipes initially. Then, when their area finally got the rain and snow that I do in NY, the light went off. I guess until you trap in mud and rain start to finish perhaps it doesn't resonate with you.

I made the video mainly to answer the millions of questions and also to show guys how I make it once and for all. If you picture a pipe sticking out of the ground that you can see from 30 feet away, well, that's not MY Pipe Dream Set! My pipe is buried in a grass tuft, only 2 inches or so sticking out, but enough to be a place to put my stink. Once its in there, its protected FAR better from the elements being inside that narrow plastic pipe than if you just put your stink in the dirt in the hole. No big deal to do that in arid parts of the country, but with 4-5-6 inches of rain a week on average, I have found it better to protect my stink.

Its a tool in the tool box. An option. Nothing more. The way I make it, I'll put it up against hole sets if only for ONE reason: it stays operative longer than a hole set here in mud and snow country.

I won't fight you on what Robert is doing and any thought that from this day forward there's only ONE way to trap coyotes.........if any trapper came east and tried to get numbers of any sort, I bet they'd eventually come around to a similar approach. Loads of respect to Robert to tackle this monumental challenge. I've trapped Kansas, and everyone seems to be heading there. That said, I'll take 150 coyotes in New York over 400 in Kansas any day regarding a challenge!

For every hard-headed old timer that WON'T try it, there's 300 open-minded guys that do! LOL I can live with those averages!

MZ

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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6739438
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Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6739456
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I still cannt find that video but the zag dirt hole used some type of plastic bedding tool that you sell. Can you elaborate what the plastic bedding tool is used for and is that in your new video?

Re: The Pipe Dream Set explained [Re: Wolfdog91] #6739534
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About the only time I don't use Marks bedding system is if I'm in loose sand in the creek. Last year it was snow then rain seemed like for the whole season. I ended up putting on a set of chains on my 4 wheeler just to get around in the slop. Even though I don't catch big numbers the pipe and bedding system were my main producers and their my main producers this year I have a mix of flat , dirt hole and pipe. One example of how well Marks bedding style works. On our farm last year I put in a compass set and bedded the trap like Mark does in a mowed path next to my neighbor fence line wasn't any sign but just looked like a good intersection. That set sat there for 25days about the only thing I would do was give it a hit of fox pee a hard rain. I not sure how many rains that set went through some were real p pounders 3 to 4 inches but it was a bunch even though we had some snow early on the ground never froze. Day 25 had a big female coyote bouncing I know most people would not leave a set in that long if it wasn't producing I had to drive by it everyday so I just let it go to see what happens.

The only thing that will hold me up is a layer of freezing rain we just had a little bit of it last weekend and I had to go around and loosen up a few traps. If the ground is water logged and freezes up I will get some trap jaws pinched in from the expanding dirt. This is my own fault I tend to really pack them in tight around the edges and sometimes I get just a little bit of a lip over the trap jaws.

I have offered to show some of my trapping friends here at home the set and bedding style but they would rather pulls set and remake later on. I prefer to do my remakes after making a catch.
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