Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 02:10 PM
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The members of WBA what the rut all to themselves and that's It In a nut shell. They don't care about deer management unless It manages them to hunt the rut.
If I lay down my money to hunt deer then no special interest group should be able to tell me when I can hunt. This Isn't merry old England and the kings deer. WBA
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 02:31 PM
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I like the idea posted earlier about a primitive weapons season from sept thru december, bow and muzzleloader, no blaze required. The a regular 9 day with blaze orange, or pink, whatever.
There is something about this idea that keeps drawing me to it, but I keep coming back to the idea that it would actually make the issue worse, not better if we look at the concern they are trying to solve. It would increase buck harvest before the gun hunters get a crack at them. That said, there is another question about a lottery for limited tag items as a way to increase revenue for the department. Like they do for elk. Legislators have not been keen on increasing fees, but they have started to show a willingness to look at lotteries. I wonder if they did a lottery for this type of tag, what the interest would be?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 02:44 PM
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If they want to shoot a buck that bad, get a muzzleloader or take up bowhunting.
Not saying I don't agree with you, but now comes the million dollar question...are you going to allow the use of in-lines and scopes in this primitive hunt?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 03:10 PM
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And here I though all the nuts lived in MN.
It's a deer, kill them.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 03:14 PM
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And here I though all the nuts lived in MN. It's a deer, kill them.
Finally a nonresident has joined the discussion or should I say, enough joined that I noticed their presence. I did see there is a question about raising the license cost for nonresidents on deer and bear as well. Lots of possible changes that go outside season length. That one falls under WCC advisory question. That is where you see the questions about badger season, extending bobcat season, and a host of other topics. https://p.widencdn.net/d0xgfq/2020-01-4D-Congress-Matters-2020-spring-hearing-advisory-questions
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 03:59 PM
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If they want to shoot a buck that bad, get a muzzleloader or take up bowhunting.
Not saying I don't agree with you, but now comes the million dollar question...are you going to allow the use of in-lines and scopes in this primitive hunt? if taking of deer is what is important , I am only looking for a safe way to do it in a longer season. I think we got away from the iron sights only during ml season because then you have all the people who have vision issues who have to get an exception. just like all the people who had bad shoulders bad back ect.. that would have to get a xbow exception that when your DR made you go through a Physical Therapist and your insurance would not cover it your dropping hundreds on BS state bureaucracy. you could make muzzle loader antler-less only start it oct 1 and run it for the month so you get the heard management your wanting but not uspet the vertical bow folks so much they will likely raise a fuss no matter what. I say muzzle loader but could as easily be single shot rifle , the point is take deer , control heard size, in the locations that need it and use the resources that pay you for the privilege of shooting deer. I don't get all this "this tool is too good concern" . you want heard management or not? offer a way through extended season and tags to get the management you want.where you want it . we have an over abundance of a species in specific areas in the state. We have a resource of people who would be willing to harvest them for free. we need to get the people resource in touch with the landowners and give them time to harvest the numbers that make for better herd management.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 04:19 PM
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Are they allowing to vote online this year in case you cannot make the meeting? Yes
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 05:42 PM
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For those that didn't watch, it sounds like there are going to be quite a few questions on the Conservation Congress spring questionnaire relating to deer. When you include department, NRB, and CC advisory questions, it includes everything from shortening Xbow season, extending rifle season to 16 days, moving rifle season earlier, possible simplification changes to antlerless tags and a few others. It will be interesting to see how the input breaks down this spring. Until they remove politics and people that know nothing about hunting from setting our rules, things won't get better.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 07:21 PM
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On line voting Is going to screw us.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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On line voting Is going to screw us. From what I heard when the allowed it, the online votes didn't hold much water.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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So they are going to throw out the on line votes. If that happens that gives the antis more ammunition.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 07:58 PM
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What do we want the deer seasons in WI to accomplish?
Do we want the harvest of deer to be keyed mostly to manage the herd size and numbers and provide as good of sporting opportunities that we can?
Or do we want the hunt to be heavily favored for the sport of hunting and let deer herd management fall by the wayside?
No to your first option, its a selfish option, whats good for hunters and screw the rest of the citizens of the state. I think your 2nd option assumes that "sport of hunting" and herd management are not compatible. The answer should be what we want the deer seasons to accomplish is to first keep the herd in check so that the herd is not doing damage to the environment. When the deer herd is such that various native plants are are completely eliminated or unable to complete their life cycles due to deer over browse then the herd is too big and more deer need to be thinned. I'm not even going to go into AG industry and Ins. industries, the effect of herd size greatly effects these industries and then indirectly effects every consumer in the state. This is sound management of natural resources. Managing for larger herds at the expense of other plants, animals and other interests is a poor management model.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 08:26 PM
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I'm on another forum that's mostly WI guys. Lots are hardcore and hunt a lot and put in the hours. Lots are saying this last year was really bad with low deer sightings. Lots of mobile guys that don't hunt the same 40 or 80 every weekend. These are the guys who's opinions matter to me. They know what's out there. No agenda to push like the dnr. It's been an ongoing slaughter for years. I really wish we'd go back to a format like before all the t zones. Archery season. 9 day gun season. Late archery. No more special antlerless hunts, no more youth hunts. Get back to tradition. Once that framework is back in place, figure where crossbows and muzzleloaders fit in.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/24/20 09:55 PM
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For many years, the department kept number artificially high. They limited harvest to keep the quality of experience high. Deer were no different than bears, otter, etc. Then there came a time when folks started to realize there was costs associated with doing so they over corrected IMO. The pendulum continues to swing.
Folks not seeing deer should go hunt Winnebago county. There is enough public you should be able to find some deer if you are willing to work for them. Sure you might bump into folks from time to time, but a guy can get away from folks if you work at it or hunt after opening weekend. The county has great cell coverage so you can register the deer before you even start dragging. Plus, the county has yet to have a positive CWD deer.
IMO that is the great thing about CDACs. They don't have to be a one size fits all approach. Folks locally can make that decision and it doesn't have to be a dictatorship. Folks are forced to work together instead of complaining and expecting someone else to fix the problem or create a different one for someone else.
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