Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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01/28/20 06:36 PM
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Everyone I talked to this year said there were no deer. Numbers were way down. So why do we have to kill more deer?
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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01/28/20 07:08 PM
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Everyone I talked to this year said there were no deer. Numbers were way down. So why do we have to kill more deer? You never talked to me. In my little area of the world there is lots of deer. The general trend in the kill over the last 1/2 dozen decades is up. Up about 300% if I recall right. All this while there is more property removed from hunting and fewer people hunting. So lots more deer killed on in a smaller area. I was recently at a conference on native plantings to attract wildlife to your property. One problem that continually crops up is deer. They will either eliminate or browse on certain native plants so heavily that the plants are no longer able to get to the point of producing seed. White Oaks are a good example. Oaks suffer from too dense of forests and deer. For White Oaks to survive the deer herd will need to be thinned drastically. If I don't protect the Oaks on my property the deer will eat EVERYONE of them.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Muskrat]
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01/28/20 07:09 PM
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What do car/deer collision reports say about the size of the herd? https://dnr.wi.gov/wideermetrics/DeerStats.aspx?R=CollisionHere you go Muskrat. Only allows you to go back 2007, but you can look up by county if you want.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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01/28/20 07:14 PM
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we have numbers from a few years of earn a buck . did it work? do the numbers show it ?
it might have caused me to take fewer deer , if I saw a buck opening morning at 0700 I couldn't shoot it till I had earned my doe.
my only reservation on shooting a deer besides safety or legality of the shot is if it is worth my time to cut up. I only have so many deer skin and cut in me a day if it takes 90% of the energy and 95% if the time to get 25% of the meat is it worth it ?
if you gave guys 2 weeks in October for antler-less only hunt so that they have their buck earned before tradition gun 9 day opening morning I think you would get the most doe shot.
bow and antler-less can run together bow hunters can put on a touch of orange camo
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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01/28/20 07:23 PM
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I guess you guys don't understand the mind set of the WI bow hunter. They don't want you In the woods during the rut.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: WIMarshRAT]
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01/28/20 07:24 PM
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Thanks I'd like to see 2018 and 2019 data. Might be interesting.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Dirty D]
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01/28/20 07:33 PM
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Everyone I talked to this year said there were no deer. Numbers were way down. So why do we have to kill more deer? You never talked to me. In my little area of the world there is lots of deer. The general trend in the kill over the last 1/2 dozen decades is up. Up about 300% if I recall right. All this while there is more property removed from hunting and fewer people hunting. So lots more deer killed on in a smaller area. I was recently at a conference on native plantings to attract wildlife to your property. One problem that continually crops up is deer. They will either eliminate or browse on certain native plants so heavily that the plants are no longer able to get to the point of producing seed. White Oaks are a good example. Oaks suffer from too dense of forests and deer. For White Oaks to survive the deer herd will need to be thinned drastically. If I don't protect the Oaks on my property the deer will eat EVERYONE of them. Well sure, there are areas with a large heard. Most of which is prime land with landowners that are selective and don't shoot the crap out of it. Also don't allow access. I used to hunt an area like that. But those areas are not everywhere. As a whole, we don't need to eradicate more deer.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: WIMarshRAT]
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01/29/20 08:35 AM
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i dont see how lengthening the season will help much. hunting has changed alot since i was a kid. now everyone is after that 200" buck. there is a growing number of people that hunt more for horns than meat. hunters no longer get in the woods and move the deer around. land owners dont allow access to the avg hunter anymore because one or two guys will pay big money to have large parcels of land to themselves. When i was younger large groups would hunt many different farms and hunt for meat and we would see a hundred plus deer every year. now we are lucky to see a dozen- and this is not a deer population issue!
I guess it depends on what you are looking to accomplish. If the firearm season is moved up and they put a quiet period in, I think it would transfer some of the archery harvest to gun harvest. Those last couple of weeks in archery are big weeks for buck kill and ensuring you avoid the late gun hunts (like this year) would significantly increase the gun harvest. I included a link to the powerpoint deck that shows the impact of having a later vs earlier season and the average difference is like 13% (slide 15). https://p.widencdn.net/4ydoii/00-2020-01-Tuesday-3A-PP-re-2019-NRB-Deer-Season-Report-FINALDeer will be more likely on their feet and you have more that survived archery season. Keeping the gun hunt closer to the rut will likely help generate a little more interest if that was what you are trying to accomplish. All that said, I am not sure that just extending the gun season to 19 days without moving it up helps on either front. You make a lot of good points on how folks hunting styles have changed over time. id agree moving gun season up to the rut could help, but you and i know the bow hunters would never let that happen. personally i wouldnt think its right either to screw up peoples bow hunting just to kill a few more deer
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: tlguy]
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01/29/20 08:37 AM
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I'd like to know where these proposals came from, and why these were selected. Let's see the guys pulling the puppet strings. some moron sitting behind a desk most likely
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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01/29/20 08:41 AM
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Everyone I talked to this year said there were no deer. Numbers were way down. So why do we have to kill more deer? i didnt see many deer either but im smart enough to know tgey are there, they are just got getting moved around. i know herd size can vary all over but my guess for most is they just arent moving
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
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01/29/20 09:40 AM
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I'd like to know where these proposals came from, and why these were selected. Let's see the guys pulling the puppet strings. some moron sitting behind a desk most likely If you are talking about the badger season question, I guess you can blame me. Most trappers outside of the beav seemed to like the idea of a harvest on badgers so I did ask the fur harvest committee to take up the question. They agreed that we should ask the public. I believe 7 questions are from the Natural Resource Board and the rest (like the badger question) come from the Conservation Congress.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: The Beav]
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01/29/20 09:59 AM
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I guess you guys don't understand the mind set of the WI bow hunter. They don't want you In the woods during the rut. Beav , I think your being really kind , they don't want us in the woods at all , not as gun hunters and not a trappers.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: Green Bay]
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01/29/20 10:15 AM
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Your probably right.
And as to the badger thing If you think the outrage was huge over the morning dove season wait till the badger thing comes up. This Issue will give the trapper a huge BLACK EYE. We shouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.
MY buddy caught a badger this winter he turned It In I bought It for $25.00 from the DNR and know It's getting tanned. The person catching a badger can't buy It but they can posses It after the fact.
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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread
[Re: The Beav]
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01/29/20 10:31 AM
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Your probably right.
And as to the badger thing If you think the outrage was huge over the morning dove season wait till the badger thing comes up. This Issue will give the trapper a huge BLACK EYE. We shouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.
MY buddy caught a badger this winter he turned It In I bought It for $25.00 from the DNR and know It's getting tanned. The person catching a badger can't buy It but they can posses It after the fact. someone should set up a Wis Friends of the Badger non profit that buys up the caught beavers. you could set up as a 501c3 give 2 half hour talks a year at trappers gatherings about what to do if they catch a badger and the group takes donations to buy the caught badger from the DNR at a flat rate of 25 dollars each , then tans them and uses them as educational tools. a trapper who catches one and then does a talk using it about his experience catching may purchase the tanned hide to continue his or her education efforts about badgers.
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