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Re: Coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6769900 02/14/20 11:42 AM 02/14/20 11:42 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 NC C Carolina Foxer trapper
Carolina Foxer trapper C Joined: Jun 2008 NC	Someone get Mark June on here. He's a biologist and what not. https://sciencing.com/demagnetize-steel-12741.html Last edited by Carolina Foxer; 02/14/20 11:49 AM.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Boone Liane] #6769913 02/14/20 12:00 PM 02/14/20 12:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Central MN MNCedar trapper
MNCedar trapper Joined: Dec 2007 Central MN	Originally Posted by Boone Liane My proof is in the direct correlation to an increase in refusals (in both snares and trap sets) on brightly lit full moon cycles. Full moon cycles that arent as brightly lit due to cloud cover, lack of snow cover, or a combination of the two, are not a problem. I have it well documented in notes over the years. Ultra bright moonlit nights, I WILL see a dramatic uptick in refusals and a dip in catch rates. The moon is still full up there behind the clouds. The magnetic pull is still there. The only thing that has changed are light levels. More light puts em on edge. When a coyote is like that, hes more aware, more standofish, and hes harder to catch. Not much different than highly exploited, educated coyotes. Those stil move to, but, theyre more wary, more aware, more standofish, and harder to catch. No worries, we don't need to agree. I don't want argue either, I am just saying that your proof is only affirming that things change during a full moon. It is not excluding magnetism. I do wonder why winter coyotes are out every single morning during daylight hours here if light puts them on edge. Considering all the ways in which the moon impacts life on this earth, I do not see the magnetism discussion as foolish. It really shows tremendous promise. Just my opinion, but I am grouping the "predators are scared of light" thinking into the same category as "ducks fly lower on rainy days." While these may be based loosely in truth, there is much more to the story. Good discussion, happy trapping. Last edited by MNCedar; 02/14/20 12:09 PM.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Carolina Foxer] #6769915 02/14/20 12:04 PM 02/14/20 12:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Georgia K Kirk De trapper
Kirk De trapper K Joined: Dec 2008 Georgia	How I first believed in what I had was testing traps with a game biologist. He worked with me on at least four occasions. Mark certainly would have some input that would be very good. The problem is that I don’t know of any other biologist that Has done the research.Even engineers. The Real Reasons Animals Are Detecting Your Sets And Devices by Kirk Dekalb https://amzn.to/2Hn1hxv

Re: Coyotes [Re: MNCedar] #6769970 02/14/20 12:58 PM 02/14/20 12:58 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 SD Boone Liane trapper
Boone Liane trapper Joined: Mar 2010 SD	Originally Posted by MNCedar Originally Posted by Boone Liane My proof is in the direct correlation to an increase in refusals (in both snares and trap sets) on brightly lit full moon cycles. Full moon cycles that arent as brightly lit due to cloud cover, lack of snow cover, or a combination of the two, are not a problem. I have it well documented in notes over the years. Ultra bright moonlit nights, I WILL see a dramatic uptick in refusals and a dip in catch rates. The moon is still full up there behind the clouds. The magnetic pull is still there. The only thing that has changed are light levels. More light puts em on edge. When a coyote is like that, hes more aware, more standofish, and hes harder to catch. Not much different than highly exploited, educated coyotes. Those stil move to, but, theyre more wary, more aware, more standofish, and harder to catch. No worries, we don't need to agree. I don't want argue either, I am just saying that your proof is only affirming that things change during a full moon. It is not excluding magnetism. I do wonder why winter coyotes are out every single morning during daylight hours here if light puts them on edge. Considering all the ways in which the moon impacts life on this earth, I do not see the magnetism discussion as foolish. It really shows tremendous promise. Just my opinion, but I am grouping the "predators are scared of light" thinking into the same category as "ducks fly lower on rainy days." While these may be based loosely in truth, there is much more to the story. Good discussion, happy trapping. You’re correct that it doesn’t not exclude magnetism. But it does correlate a change in behavior and catch and light intensity. And again, just because a coyote is “out”, moving, active, whatever, doesn’t mean he’s in a frame of mind that makes him easier to catch.

Re: Coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6769972 02/14/20 01:00 PM 02/14/20 01:00 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 SD Boone Liane trapper
Boone Liane trapper Joined: Mar 2010 SD	If I had a buck for every coyote I could see 1/2-1 mile away, on his feet, moving, that I COULDNT get to come to a call, I’d have a few bucks! Activity does not equal killable.

Re: Coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6770079 02/14/20 02:57 PM 02/14/20 02:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Central MN MNCedar trapper
MNCedar trapper Joined: Dec 2007 Central MN	Boone, I definitely agree with you on those points. You know your coyotes. I have always enjoyed your posts for that reason.

Re: Coyotes [Re: Carolina Foxer] #6770116 02/14/20 03:33 PM 02/14/20 03:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Georgia K Kirk De trapper
Kirk De trapper K Joined: Dec 2008 Georgia	Quote Someone get Mark June on here. He's a biologist and what not. https://sciencing.com/demagnetize-steel-12741.html Demagetizing is not necessarily the answer. Negative ions forming in the right areas of the set, create a calming effect. Example would be the way negative ions are formed inside a properly made cage trap. With a snare secured to a fence it could mimic a safe crawl under or a safe hole in a fence. How a kill pole is set up it can mimic a fence post by the trail. With a conibear of low intensity, a passage through the trap. It all depends on what the animal perceives and how well you are able to make it work.. The Real Reasons Animals Are Detecting Your Sets And Devices by Kirk Dekalb https://amzn.to/2Hn1hxv

Re: Coyotes [Re: Boone Liane] #6770776 02/15/20 06:39 AM 02/15/20 06:39 AM
Joined: Apr 2012 Southern Michigan T trappergbus trapper
trappergbus trapper T Joined: Apr 2012 Southern Michigan	Originally Posted by Boone Liane I will agree theres a huge change during full moons, but it aint because of magnetic fields! Pretty big behavior change during the moon. More neophobic due to feeling exposed and vulnerable due to increased light. Dark full moons (no snow cover and or overcast skys) its not as prevalent. Bright moons, clear skies and good snow cover, it may as well be daylight. And if you dont think coyotes can better see snares under those bright type conditions, well, you probably think theyre sensing your snares magnetic field. They still move. A lot if the barometers moving. But their behavior changes. I've spoke with Jay Lord ( his book explains it very well) on the magnetic field responses to our traps a bit. When it's cold say below 40 it is a non issue. Totally agree with your full moon observations. It absolutely makes them edgy and in a non compliant mood, here it's hard to find a track on those clear full moon nights. Wish I could just stay home.. Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..

Re: Coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6770941 02/15/20 10:20 AM 02/15/20 10:20 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Wisconsin T The Beav OP trapper
The Beav OP trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Wisconsin	So In the dead of winter with snow on the ground and the temps are In the teens or lower and you need to put on calories to stay alive . You just stop hunting because of a full moon? And since the coyote In most cases Is the alpha predator he just holes up. Sure I can see where they maybe a bit spooky but you still have to eat to stay alive. The forum Know It All according to Muskrat

Re: Coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6771019 02/15/20 11:22 AM 02/15/20 11:22 AM
Joined: May 2010 potter co. p.a. P pcr2 "Twerker"
pcr2 "Twerker" P Joined: May 2010 potter co. p.a.	see what you started Beav??i'm afraid to go outside now let alone set for yotes.

Re: Coyotes [Re: The Beav] #6771021 02/15/20 11:23 AM 02/15/20 11:23 AM
Joined: May 2010 potter co. p.a. P pcr2 "Twerker"
pcr2 "Twerker" P Joined: May 2010 potter co. p.a.	thank god the coon market is booming.

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