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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: plainstrapping25]
#6770121
02/14/20 03:34 PM
02/14/20 03:34 PM
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Joined: Aug 2014
Austin Minnesota
Suchlike2
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Austin Minnesota
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I bought a dozen mesh onion sacks on line last year. I wait until a good rain storm slows the city from mowing the local park. Once the grass gets high, I go over and rake up half a pick up load, then lay it on the ground by my buddies out buildings until it dries a bit, then I bag it? I hang it n an old building until I am ready to use. The mesh bags allow it to breathe and dry all season long without molding.
Life is short, tomorrow is promised to none of us. Make the best of every day you have
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: Kirk De]
#6771691
02/15/20 08:09 PM
02/15/20 08:09 PM
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Joined: Feb 2019
NE
plainstrapping25
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NE
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John, go back and look at zagers website video. Make your set just like that. What you have is not the same thing. Listen to how he explains carefully. He's got a video on that set?
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: plainstrapping25]
#6772158
02/16/20 09:56 AM
02/16/20 09:56 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Maine
Mac
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Maine
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I've noticed this season most of my coyote hits have been on pipe sets. Even though I have far more dirt holes. It has me thinking as to why that would be. And my theory is, in a grassy area where the grass stands up, but a small area it is matter down, such as case here, I would believe they would sub consciously place there foot where it would be matter down on the trap. One thing I've noticed lately on my dirt holes is I get alot of misses. Even with the 9 back and 2 over. I also always make the pan the low spot with just a dusting over. However, I seldow miss on pipe sets. I don't know, it just a interesting thought. Do not make this difficult. Believe me, I have attempted to make trapping too difficult at times. Stop and think about this. If you are using something in your pipe (which should be driven deeper and into some cover like Zagger does, instead of the many ways I have seen it presented) that tasted good (like you should be using) most animals are going to make more steps. But then again if you have something they really want to eat in a dirt hole, they will make more steps too. Zagger's pipe dream set is better than say a bait stick as someone mentioned. Never ever had one just lifted from the set like can be done with a bait stick. In reality it is not the pipe dream that is the total answer to his success. (Admittedly it is my favorite set) His system is what you should be looking at. His system and his way of teaching it is pretty darn hard to beat. Someone that wants to learn a good system for trapping should consider all of this. If you live where there is crap weather, why would you want to go to the land of milk and honey for their methods, other than it would be fun and give you some stories to tell. Trapping in the East is a beast most of the time. Mac
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: plainstrapping25]
#6772255
02/16/20 11:06 AM
02/16/20 11:06 AM
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Joined: Jan 2020
Aliceville, Kansas 45
Yukon John
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Aliceville, Kansas 45
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[/quote]He's got a video on that set?[/quote]
Just Google pipe dream set, or search on YouTube. There's a bunch of them, but he is only in one of them, I believe.
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: plainstrapping25]
#6772288
02/16/20 11:39 AM
02/16/20 11:39 AM
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Joined: May 2010
Iowa
coydog2
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Iowa
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I've noticed this season most of my coyote hits have been on pipe sets. Even though I have far more dirt holes. It has me thinking as to why that would be. And my theory is, in a grassy area where the grass stands up, but a small area it is matter down, such as case here, I would believe they would sub consciously place there foot where it would be matter down on the trap. One thing I've noticed lately on my dirt holes is I get alot of misses. Even with the 9 back and 2 over. I also always make the pan the low spot with just a dusting over. However, I seldow miss on pipe sets. I don't know, it just a interesting thought. Try set your trap 18" back off set. Then you will see a different in it.
Life member of DAV,NTA,NRA,ITA.Also member of FTA,CBA
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: Zagman]
#6774066
02/17/20 08:00 PM
02/17/20 08:00 PM
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Joined: May 2018
SW Georgia
Wanna Be
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SW Georgia
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Video is largely done and should be out in a week or so......I'll let people know when its on YouTube.
MZ Thank you sir!!
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: plainstrapping25]
#6788988
03/01/20 07:08 PM
03/01/20 07:08 PM
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Joined: Feb 2020
Indiana
Providence Farm
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Indiana
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Looking very forward to it! 2x^^^ On a whim or after thought while out checking traps.... I put out 3 sets how I think they should be from reading . I could not wait to try it. I don't have any pipe with me but there was some bamboo on sight so I used about 12" pieces of that. It was my last two days I had traps out in a stale area. ( had been trapping there for about a month). I didn't have pre cut dried grass or pan covers so use what was around grass/ leaf's broken up. It took me a little longer to cut out the trap shape the first few times but it was easy to get them rock solid. It was raining and freezing weather. Many of my dirt holes filled with water and froze down . The pipe dreams didn't freeze and the bait stayed functioning. I didn't catch anything besides a coon in those two days withbut know it's a very solid system that will keep functioning when weather shuts my other sets down. I will be utilizing these set much more in the future and this bedding style other sets. Thanks Zagman for sharing your system. By chance are you going to make it to the Fur Takers Convention in Charleston Indiana this year?
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: Providence Farm]
#6789518
03/02/20 09:51 AM
03/02/20 09:51 AM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Central New York State
Zagman
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Central New York State
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Looking very forward to it! 2x^^^ On a whim or after thought while out checking traps.... I put out 3 sets how I think they should be from reading . I could not wait to try it. I don't have any pipe with me but there was some bamboo on sight so I used about 12" pieces of that. It was my last two days I had traps out in a stale area. ( had been trapping there for about a month). I didn't have pre cut dried grass or pan covers so use what was around grass/ leaf's broken up. It took me a little longer to cut out the trap shape the first few times but it was easy to get them rock solid. It was raining and freezing weather. Many of my dirt holes filled with water and froze down . The pipe dreams didn't freeze and the bait stayed functioning. I didn't catch anything besides a coon in those two days withbut know it's a very solid system that will keep functioning when weather shuts my other sets down. I will be utilizing these set much more in the future and this bedding style other sets. Thanks Zagman for sharing your system. By chance are you going to make it to the Fur Takers Convention in Charleston Indiana this year? Like anything, the more you make it, the more comfortable you will be with it.....and your confidence in the approach will work as well..... On the FTA, NO, I am afraid not, I will not be attending.......it was a weird deal last year at the FTA in VA....there was no announcement of sign-up for 2020, no paperwork left at our booths like at most conventions. At one point, another vendor came up and said they'd started signing people up the day before with no announcement or anything. When I went to the booth, the show was sold out and/or there were only spots at some distant building with NO A/C, and probably little traffic. I was astounded that they chose a venue small enough that not all of us in attendance in VA could even sign up? That said, I am sure they had their reasons............ Like anything, there are three sides to every story, but at the time, I know there were several other vendors MUCH larger than me that missed the sign-up as well and were therefore NOT attending. Perhaps since then, they've figured out a way in. But, alas, I am out...... MZ
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Re: Pipe set vs dirt hole
[Re: plainstrapping25]
#6789637
03/02/20 12:50 PM
03/02/20 12:50 PM
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Joined: Feb 2020
Indiana
Providence Farm
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Indiana
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[quote=plainstrapping25]Looking very forward to it! 2x^^^ On a whim or after thought while out checking traps.... I put out 3 sets how I think they should be from reading . I could not wait to try it. I don't have any pipe with me but there was some bamboo on sight so I used about 12" pieces of that. It was my last two days I had traps out in a Like anything, the more you make it, the more comfortable you will be with it.....and your confidence in the approach will work as well..... On the FTA, NO, I am afraid not, I will not be attending.......it was a weird deal last year at the FTA in VA....there was no announcement of sign-up for 2020, no paperwork left at our booths like at most conventions. At one point, another vendor came up and said they'd started signing people up the day before with no announcement or anything. When I went to the booth, the show was sold out and/or there were only spots at some distant building with NO A/C, and probably little traffic. I was astounded that they chose a venue small enough that not all of us in attendance in VA could even sign up? That said, I am sure they had their reasons............ Like anything, there are three sides to every story, but at the time, I know there were several other vendors MUCH larger than me that missed the sign-up as well and were therefore NOT attending. Perhaps since then, they've figured out a way in. But, alas, I am out...... MZ I was afraid you were may not make it. Its 7 miles from my farm and I am excited. I was on your website and saw your last years schedule not realizing it was for last year at the time. I must admit I'm a little disappointed. I was really looking forward to meeting you and watching the master in action... Maybe one day I can allocate the funds and time to attend your classes. I have so much to learn. Thanks for the reply. I'm looking forward to your YouTube demo when you can get it out.
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