If there was something going on, it's NOT coming out of Washington! Trump announced this weekend that "The Coronavirus is not a big deal.... 0ver 60,000 people died of the flu last year. How many have died this year from the Coronavirus?"

There are senators, that both Trump ant Pence had contact with, that are being tested for exposure to this new virus. This last week Pence said that they would be over 1,000,000 test kits available, but doctors are not sure where or who has them.

I'm sure that this thread will either not go anywhere or will be flooded with comments about the "cupcakes", Demorats, liberals, gun grabbers, etc and how this is just a big joke, and not a real threat. Make America Great Again was not about "let's roll the dice on this threat."

For the first two week after 911, this country was completely united and we couldn't do enough to help total strangers. Within a month after, division started with being either Red or Blue, Conservative or Democrat, right or left. It turned into anti Muslim, anti Jew, anti Democrat, anti immigrant. It never stopped and got worse as time progressed. Clinton, Obama........ They've been long out of office. Let's deal with today's issues before there won't be a tomorrow.

Many, many years ago I was on this site under a different name, (forgot the name), and resigned a little over a year ago. I couldn't believe the threads when I first signed in under my new screen name. The hate and angst that was exhibited here was unbelievable. People wishing that Ginberg die from her cancer... "I'm going to send here a carton of cigarettes" was one of the posts made here. Why would anyone want to wish another person dead, just because you didn't agree with them?

This is a great site..... Lots of intelligent users that have a lot of knowledge about things other than trapping.
The Fermenters site is excellent, along with Just Trapping, Fut Handling, Trap Collecting , THANK YOU MR. DOBBINS. I had personal contact with your dad for many years, when I was high profile in trapping. Many letters on his wonderful personal stationary with the pictures on the top of his letters. He was"cutting edge" at that time... Way ahead of the wannabes!

I love this site, but a lot of "wading through the muck" to get get to the good stuff. Maybe a separate site just for Political, Venting, Let's Start a Fight threads.

By the way, I loved the thread about the gentleman who apologized for negative comment he made about another member. I'm sure that I may have do that to Danny Clifton, and for that I'm sorry!

I'm 77 years young, and just looking for new info to help the young people that come to me for the stakes I make for them, fur boards I make for them, and proper pelt preparation.

Like my tag line states... "I'm an old dog and these are all new tricks". Maybe this is the New Age we live in? I really hope not!

Yes.
In respect to investments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0r2X0FmZtg


The Most Important Coronavirus Question
By: Alex Berezow
The first person to die from coronavirus on American soil passed away on Feb. 29 at a Seattle area hospital – incidentally, the same hospital where my daughter was born just ten and a half months ago.
For epidemiologists, the most important unanswered question about the Wuhan coronavirus, or COVID-19, is the case-fatality rate. But for the general public, the question is much more personal: “Might I – or anyone I love – get sick and die?” When faced with uncertainty, people make decisions cautiously, and they base them on emotion and personal experience instead of statistics. If enough people answer “Yes,” there could be major repercussions as panic sets in around the world. Small behavioral modifications, such as telecommuting or reducing factory activity to avoid spreading the disease, made by millions of people can have a large impact. The United Nations already estimated $50 billion worth of exports worldwide will be affected, excluding non-trade economic activities such as travel tourism, as manufacturing slows and governments impose measures like port restrictions. This is why it is necessary to develop a “risk of death” profile for COVID-19.
The first substantial effort to do just that was published by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. Though these numbers should be thought of as preliminary (and perhaps specific to only China), they allow us to begin to comprehend the risk that our global society is facing. After analyzing 44,672 confirmed cases, Chinese health officials estimated the case-fatality rates by age group:

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Of the 416 children aged 0 to 9 who contracted COVID-19, precisely zero died. This is unusual for most infectious diseases, but not for coronaviruses; the SARS coronavirus outbreak also had minimal impact on children. For patients aged 10 to 39, the case-fatality rate is 0.2 percent. The case-fatality rate doubles for people in their 40s, then triples again for people in their 50s, and nearly triples yet again for people in their 60s. A person who contracts COVID-19 in their 70s has an 8 percent chance of dying, and a person in their 80s a nearly 15 percent chance of dying.
The virus can be lethal in a variety of ways. Viral infections in the lungs can trigger an immune response so strong that it fatally damages the lungs. In others, a systemic immune response, called a “cytokine storm,” can cause multiple organ failure. This could explain why some young, healthy people are killed by the virus, such as Dr. Li Wenliang, the 34-year-old doctor who died shortly after alerting the world to this new strain of coronavirus. An older person’s immune system may not be able to fight a respiratory virus. Underlying conditions such as high blood pressure or diabetes can worsen outcomes.
The above statistics are no doubt frightening numbers. But there are at least three major mitigating factors. First, the number of mild or asymptomatic cases is unknown and probably substantial. Second, China is still a poor country with low-quality health care and, at the epicenter of the outbreak in Hubei province, was overwhelmed by the virus. (The case-fatality rate in Chinese provinces outside Hubei, where hospitals aren’t overloaded, is much lower.) Third, smoking is much more prevalent in China than America, especially among men (52 percent in China versus 16 percent in the U.S.), and smoking is a risk factor for poor responses to respiratory infections. Together, this means the case-fatality rate is likely inflated, and it would be a mistake to apply these figures to the United States or other advanced nations.
The real question, then, is how inflated the case-fatality rates are. At this point, it’s impossible to determine because scientists are still collecting data on how widespread the virus is. But to get a sense of how exaggerated these numbers might be, it is useful to examine the case-fatality rate for seasonal influenza. For the 2018-19 influenza season, the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention provides estimates for the number of cases (defined here as “symptomatic illnesses”) and deaths. From these, we can derive case-fatality rate estimates by age group.

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If COVID-19 ends up being similar to seasonal influenza, then the case-fatality rates for COVID-19 are inflated by a factor of 20 to 100. Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the U.S. NIAID, co-authored an editorial for the New England Journal of Medicine in which he wrote:
“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively [emphasis added].”
We have reason to believe this view is closest to reality. In South Korea, public health officials screened about 100,000 people and detected over 7,300 cases. So far, the death toll is 50, which translates to a case-fatality rate of 0.7 percent. That’s still seven times worse than seasonal flu, but it’s far lower than the initial reports from China.

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The Future of COVID-19
Stat News describes two possible scenarios that epidemiologists envision for the future of COVID-19. In the first, COVID-19 becomes just another cold virus, and possibly evolves to become less lethal as well. What we call the “common cold” is actually caused by roughly 200 different viruses. Each year, about 25 percent of common colds are due to four coronaviruses, and some scientists think COVID-19 could eventually join this group as its fifth member. In the second scenario, COVID-19 behaves more like a severe seasonal flu, vanishing in the summer and returning to hit us hard in the winter.
In neither scenario does COVID-19 resemble the Spanish flu of 1918, which disproportionately killed young people. In neither scenario does the virus mutate to become more lethal. Most likely, the opposite will be true. There is an inverse relationship between lethality and contagiousness; that is, the most contagious viruses tend to be less lethal. Evolutionary pressures – namely, the biological imperative to reproduce as far and wide as possible (which means not killing people) – may push COVID-19 down this path.
For now, influenza remains the far bigger global public health threat. Each year, about 1 billion people become infected with seasonal flu, killing some 300,000 to 500,000. This season alone (2019-20), about 20,000 Americans have died from flu, including 136 children. Yet, very few people fear the flu. Society has accepted it as part of reality, and people carry about their daily lives without excessive concern over influenza. This is the likely future for COVID-19.
Until then, perhaps the last word should be given to virologist Dr. Lisa Gralinski, who told The Scientist, “If you’re over fifty or sixty and you have some other health issues and if you’re unlucky enough to be exposed to this virus, it could be very bad.” While everyone else should remain vigilant and take proper precautions (e.g., washing hands and avoiding crowds) until more data comes in, from a scientific perspective the public alarm is disproportionate to the risk.




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Universal precautions are your best and foremost defense. I agree with teacher on his post. Way over hyped by media. All experts have an opinion on predictions. Can't get a straight death count nor a accurate diagnosis or pending. If you feel sick stay home. If you have a fever stay home call your doctor office. If you plan on visiting people wash your hands periodically thru out your visit. Cover a sneeze or a cough. Soon spring will be here. Virus will break apart. The house will be back to impeaching Trump.

The data says younger people get it but older people, or those with significant pre existing conditions get it more often and with stronger illnesses. Kids, so far, are not getting hit as much as everyone else. But the belief is their numbers will change as more data is available.

I'm pretty sure it's over hyped. My only concerns are my 58 year old mother that just had a double mastectomy, radiation, and is on her 5th round of chemotherapy. My stepmother also has a compromised immune system since her liver transplant and my wifes grand mother's are frail.

I just saw a picture of a note left on my friend's Dr. Office door. It pointed out that every 4 years there is a the sky is falling pandemic. Had stats that showed how insignificant it is. Also listed the dates and corresponding illness listed. Ever one an election year

Its another political scam by the American communist party. There were now what 30 death all together in the US since January and I am picking a high number here. In that same timeframe a few thousand snuffed it wit the flu. But the flu is considered normal so its OK fr a bunch of people to die of it year after year. But the Corona virus .... now that one they can try and pin on Trump somehow and blame him fr every death by it. Then try and shut the country down for the most part and put the blame on guess who ?? Everything in the attempt to get that corrupt senile old codger into the oval office. This is going to be their last hoorah. They don't give a hoot about the anguish their actions cause and the more death the better.

Bingo Providence Farm...major catastrophe ever election year... vote for me, I'll save the world...

Don't be so modest, you know as well as I what their goals are. I just saw a poll asking whether the voters trusted Biden over Bernie to handle the outbreak. Their natural segue is to then ask if they trust Biden more than Trump. The media is something worse than despicable.

Hey Muskrat,what a great post.The division and hate of others is unbelievable. And to think that the rhetoric spreaders act so righteous .They get this line of thought from their church leaders , news outlets and politicians along with ignorant persons. This person is different, so they must be bad!What happened to love thy neighbor? Did Jesus not treat the oppressed with compassion? What happened to lending a helping hand.This is a great fourm but some want to spread their hate(fear) and use the forum as a sounding board for spreading crud.It is the Trapperman fourm not the spread hate and dissension forum.
Lets get back to civility.

Excellent post. Thank you

I agree. I'm pretty sure that Jesus guy wouldn't exactly be high-fiving people for their comments on this site. It also says no politics at the top of the page, yet look at all the political posts. It really confuses me on what is allowed to stay on the screen.

If someone ever wanted to try and dig up evidence to support the stereotype that outdoorsman are far right, I guess they can just pull up old Tman.

I haven't moved any further right than I am now for years. The left has gotten a LOT farther away from me though!

When you're fighting for the soul of the country, hurt feelings just don't rank that high.

Locked down....like cattle to a corral. Either serious or a test run.....

Check out what Acosta is asking and focused on!

All you need to know!

Y’all think this hype is bad, you should watch our local weather forecasters whenever thunderstorms are rolling in, life as we know it is ending, every single time. Guess eventually something really bad will happen and they can say we told you so.

Solid post

I think the Chinese government started it to stem the uprising in Hong Kong.

Amazing how all those people disappeared!