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Jump trap coyotes #6810584
03/20/20 10:00 PM
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I have a old victor underspring jump. I use wondering if this would work on coyotes. If it jumps than wouldn't that possibly throw there foot out of trap? Also, it has no pan tension to it. I set it last month. Did not have no activity on the set.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6810597
03/20/20 10:04 PM
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I've used #3 victor jumps for coyotes. I have some #2's as well but i just dont think the #2's have enough holding power for coyotes. They make a great fox trap though. As for the #3's, when they had the original pans it was tricky since half the time i sifted dirt over them they would fire, but I still caught and held coyotes with them. Since then I put all new PIT pans on them and laminated the jaws.and they work great. Never had the pan throw the paw out. always a good catch. They are good traps if you can fix that pan tension.

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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6810737
03/20/20 11:18 PM
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PIT pans on the 3's and 4's make it a whole new ball game.I always had problems with the pan tension too,it seems after a catch the trap had to be trap smithed to work again.Recently I bought some 4's that the seller had installed PIT PANS.WOW! What a difference.


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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6811506
03/21/20 03:20 PM
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You can file a miles trigger and it'll add pan tension. Guys in OK. used a lot of jumps for coyotes due to their laws.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6811591
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I had good luck with Miles triggers on some 4's.I also bent the dogs to add just a little more tension,as well.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6811625
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The Miles system does work,but there's nothing like the PIT PANS.


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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #6811971
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What is the miles system?

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: nate] #6811976
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I beat the metal together that holds the pan on to get the pan tension I want. I never remember losing a single cat or coyote in them I use 3 and 4s.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6812125
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An illustration would make this simple,but to describe it would go like this;a half notch filed into the pan shank,a half notch on the end of the dog so they fit together when trap is set.Like I said,a picture would make more sense than my definition.


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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6812162
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Originally Posted by Taximan
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The Miles trigger.It adds tension,depending on the angles of the notch and geometry of the trap.It has a real,audible click and you can feel it as well.When I used them,I would bend the dog end up,if I needed more tension.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6812180
03/22/20 12:04 AM
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There we are.Thank you ADC.I'm rather computer illiterate about such things.That puts it all in perspective.


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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6814977
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The best conversion for the old jumps is the old Oberto dogless conversions. Both pan tension, and dogless, in one unit.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: trapped4ever] #6817177
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Originally Posted by trapped4ever
The best conversion for the old jumps is the old Oberto dogless conversions. Both pan tension, and dogless, in one unit.


You are talking old school and most will never have heard of this gentleman nor his dog less set up.

Mac



Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6817199
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Well,I've heard of this setup but never once seen one.Never heard of a kit he put out,if he did.Paws -I-Trip's are out there and available.


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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6817433
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The nice thing with Morse Oberto's 300 and 400 setups, were that you could put them on jumps (undersprings) and longsprings. You could use them as a modification, or to repair a broken trap cross. The 300's fit #3 sized traps, and the 400's fit #4's. They were made in the late 50's through early or mid 60's, in Iron Belt, WI. I have some unused kits, I can take a picture if you want. I have them on a lot of my #14 jumps. Paws-I-Trips work well on the jumps too, and are certainly easier to find, but still have a dog. You might find some Oberto's, if you post on the trap shed? I suppose they are getting rare though, these days....... I like the dogless design on the Oberto's, but their one drawback is they are a bit prone to freezing issues, in freeze/ thaw weather, for a ground bedded trap, since the pan hinge point is on the bottom of the cross.

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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6817554
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Would love to see a picture of the Oberto setup

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6818586
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Here is a 300 and 400. Very simple modification for jumps, coils, or longs. Pans could be enlarged for those who wanted bigger pans. Surprised nobody has started making these again....


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Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6818763
03/26/20 10:57 PM
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I couldn't quite picture it but I now get it.That is an ingenious conversion.I agree,someone sbould bring those back.Thanks for the pictures.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6818777
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Thanks for the pics trapped4ever. I wish someone would start making them again.

Re: Jump trap coyotes [Re: plainstrapping25] #6818850
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Good luck. I've tried the #3 jumps and hated them. Got rid of them and my only regret is not getting rid of them sooner.

Now that I think of it, that went for all the jump traps I've owned. Looked cool, set nice but that's where that ended. Catch percentage was always miserably low. Much better equipment on the market today. Sell to the antique guys and be happy you don't own them any longer.

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