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Beaver removal in public places #6813753
03/23/20 01:55 AM
03/23/20 01:55 AM
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Pottsboro TX Grayson county
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Got a call from a HOA to remove some beaver from a community pond. When I got there, there were multiple people walking dogs and several kids fishing. How do y'all handle these situations? Say thanks but no thanks?

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6813759
03/23/20 02:29 AM
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You could use a live cage trap so long as the owner is willing to cover the risk of trap theft.

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Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6813776
03/23/20 05:40 AM
03/23/20 05:40 AM
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Northern Illinois
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Welcome to the world of nuisance trapping...lol
Few ways to go about it...first let HOA know that you will not trap the area unless all people and pets are aware of traps being set.
Second, have the HOA to shut area down. Third, IF you feel comfortable set your equipment out and get up early and check traps before people/pets arrive.

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6813863
03/23/20 08:13 AM
03/23/20 08:13 AM
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The 12x18x39 double door swim through cage traps work great for these situations, low profile, easy to hide and blend, will fit into small culverts, very benign around kids and dogs. In the past ten years and 1300+ catches we have not lost a trap. You must work around the masses, set on Sunday evenings or Monday, pull on weekends if you have to. I remember setting 4 cages in a run only to watch a yellow lab swim right down the channel, when the ice was still on partially, swam right over the traps. What a relief it was not to have my 660 Belisle Mags set that day.

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6814139
03/23/20 11:51 AM
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Pottsboro TX Grayson county
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I always check my sets first thing in the morning, it's the hours after that worry me. I'm not sure that I could hide a cage trap at this particular site. I would also be very worried that someone would steal them given the prices they run. Is putting signs up a feasible option, or is that just inviting theft?

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6815075
03/23/20 10:42 PM
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Theft is a major problem either way. Some think its easy simply putting in the contract that the landowner pays for stolen traps, but around here landowners are rarely willing to agree to such a risk (those cages can be super pricey).

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Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6815184
03/24/20 05:39 AM
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Charge a higher price to cover the risk if you think youíll have problems. I have done that before. Easy access but it was a total price quote next to a country road...trapped, dead raccoon(s) floating, so obviously someone has been there first, presumably trying to remove beavers. If people are willing to shoot stop signs, theyíre likely willing to steal equipment.

There will be times you get hit. Iíve had a pile of equipment stolen, never to be found. Could have been stolen just to be thrown away for all I know.

People will screw with you, donít think they wonít. Theyíll steal your equipment, break it, fire your traps, some will presumably leave it aloneó it all depends on who it is that finds it first.


Here, NWCOs are required to keep it from public view. That doesnít mean people wonít find your gear and steal, break, or mess with

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6816086
03/24/20 08:23 PM
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In past situation like this at a very public nature ctr. As well as well traveled rail trails. I charge for extra trips. I setup late in day just before dark. Check traps early morning. Take or hide the traps during the day. Repete until done. Ive been out setting traps at night on a railtrail and used hancocks. Two of us on site took 9 beaver in 3 hours. Pulled traps was home by 11:00pm. Couple days later reset took 3 more. Wait for clear moon lite night.

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6816140
03/24/20 09:15 PM
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Whatever you decide to do you need to do it soon. Your average temperature for the days itís going to be over 80į . All of your answers except for AIX are from areas that the water temperature right now is about 45į or less. Beaver are much more aggressive because of the cold weather and not as cautious . Itís just easier to catch the beaver in the colder environments when itís not snow and ice covered water.The warm weather also limits the types of sets that you can make. Itís just gonna get harder to catch them The longer you wait.


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Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Kirk De] #6825071
03/31/20 10:55 PM
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Do all the above pretty much on the warnings and cautions . Cages are great as Jim said ( Iím in Washington where foothold and conibear are by permit only by WCO ) but for beaver or rats a float out in the middle with a castor mound set and drowning cable slides work like a dream

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Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6825173
04/01/20 05:54 AM
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First of all consider if you want the bad publicity risk.
Second, does the municipality understand the PR risk and still willing.
Make sure your liability insurance is paid up and specifically covers this activity.
No footholds or conibears or snares ever!
Cages only or no job.
Use Jim Comstockís cages or no job.
Require the municipality to close and cordon off the area to your satisfaction.

Some or all of these may be necessary.
Avoid Friday through Monday.
Set traps at dark and pull before dawn.
Have covers for all traps.
Have anything rigged before you arrive.
When done load and leave.
Have a letter of authority on your person with a copy in your truck.
Arrange with the mayor or whomever that you can call the police or sheriff every time before going there.
Take photos if possible of every set.
No guns, none. Not even in the truck.
If not doa, dispatch elsewhere.

When anyone - reporter or citizen asks you anything, politely respond by saying: I am not permitted to discuss this project. Call Mayor Jones to discuss. Have that in the agreement.

Charge enough that the job and pr nightmare is worthwhile.
I include a provision requiring the Municipality to protect, defend, and indemnify me in the result of any legal action. Also that the municipality will pay me X per hour for my time that I deem necessary to deal with any pr issue resulting from this job.

Be sure to let us know how this works.

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6826458
04/01/20 10:50 PM
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No gun...
I generally can't imagine trapping without a concealed handgun. Personal protection (even if you don't carry it for dispatch) is usually important.
I think if in a spot where the law allows carrying, I'd carry.

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Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6826581
04/02/20 02:29 AM
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I think the same people had already called me. If not, sounds like very similar situation, was over your way. I asked several questions over the phone, got some red flag answers, and politely declined. Told them it was too far to drive, and I had plenty of work closer to home, both of which were true. A lot of these kinds of deals aren't worth messing with, and some are nightmares. Many times, even if the majority of residents support removal of offending wildlife, some will be extremely opposed. Nuisance trappers can do everything by the book, exercize good judgement, and still have problems. You did well to go look before committing. If the HOA board will sign off on at least the first 2 stipulations MChew mentioned and enforce them, you might then put up signs and take pictures of them in place. Right now, with schools being closed, the set Mon a m & pull Fri a m rule prolly wouldn't help much. If you are gonna work HOA's, best practice would be to get some liability insurance in advance. Not all gated communities are this way, but the closer you get to the Metro mess, the more likely you are to have problems. Get a written contract to CYA, which doesn't keep you from getting sued if there are problems, but will give you a leg to stand on. Some of them folks don't think like we do!

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6826831
04/02/20 10:05 AM
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Carrying a gun is a great idea for ADC work. That way the goofy people who hate guns will tell you to get lost and never hire you again. Now you don't have anything to worry about!

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6827578
04/02/20 09:21 PM
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I took the job because I pick up a lot of referrals from a water management company and he needed me to see what I could do. I decided i wouldn't trap the ponds the HOA wanted me to put traps on because of all the people and pets. I did agree to put some traps on the waterway that fed into the ponds. It was pretty overgrown and full of litter. I caught one beaver on day one. Nothing on days 2-4 and no sign. I usually do a job for 7 days just to ensure I'm not missing any stragglers. When I got there the morning of day 5, I saw 2 of my traps were pulled up. I pulled everything immediately. I called the HOA and the guy told me some "stupid" kid had found them. My traps were very well camouflaged and completely submerged, but apparently he found 2 stakes and pulled my cables. Thank God nobody was hurt. The guy told me to come up with another gameplan. I said I'm done. Now I can't get him on the phone at all, so I guess I'm out of some money, but I'm counting myself lucky. I will never go against my first instincts again.

Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6827668
04/02/20 10:08 PM
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Whew, what a situation. Also, at least he didn't steal your traps.

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Re: Beaver removal in public places [Re: Jiggamitch] #6830397
04/04/20 10:06 PM
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Set late in the day pick up early in the morning before they people are out and about.

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