Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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If it's illegal for people to gather in a private building, then I guess I'm wrong. The Texas Governor agrees with you as just yesterday he declared church as "essential" as long as CDC guidelines are followed. The churches in Texas are probably doing more to help people, especially school age children, than any other group or the government. Nice ......This is how it should be
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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What freedoms are you giving up by obeying temporary guidelines?
I almost feel as if some people could care less if they hurt anyone!? So again I will say that your rights end where the other person's nose begins! The freedom to gather in person with other believers, plain and simple. Using the fist-swinging anology, my right to swing my fist ends at your nose, sure. But you can't stop me from swinging my fist just because it might get it your nose. You can only punish me after it hits your nose. On the same line of thinking, you can't stop me from meeting people because they.might get sick, but you surely can continue after they're sick. Come to think of it.....that's the same mentality behind red flag laws. Take someone's gun away because they might do something bad, not for something.theyve actually done.
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Yep everything is good for muslims in KC. https://www.icjc.org/
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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What freedoms are you giving up by obeying temporary guidelines?
I almost feel as if some people could care less if they hurt anyone!? So again I will say that your rights end where the other person's nose begins! The freedom to gather in person with other believers, plain and simple. Using the fist-swinging anology, my right to swing my fist ends at your nose, sure. But you can't stop me from swinging my fist just because it might get it your nose. You can only punish me after it hits your nose. On the same line of thinking, you can't stop me from meeting people because they.might get sick, but you surely can continue after they're sick. Come to think of it.....that's the same mentality behind red flag laws. Take someone's gun away because they might do something bad, not for something.theyve actually done. Lol What do you mean I someone can't stop you from swinging? Go try it! Go out and swing at someone! Go out and pull your gun on someone! I bet someone beats you to a pulp or puts you in the ground! What do you mean I have to wait till after before I can react!? You all really don't get it do you!? Wow!
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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I'm a simple person as most here would agree. It's either against the constitution or it isnt. If we allow one to be broken, it's only a matter of time until well allow all them to be broken. ........ and you bashed the bundy when they wouldn't give up there guns lol
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Its simple bass10. Read the constitution. Anything the constitution says the government can not do then they are not allowed to pass a law, or issue a decree, saying otherwise. The means to amend the constitution are in the constitution.
Lincoln issued a proclamation. He called it the emancipation proclamation. The whole thing was hot air. They had to change the constitution 3 years later to free slaves. If you believe the lie you were taught in Jr High history class you need to do a little research.
Proclamations, executive orders, or whatever else they want to call them, can not create a new law today anymore than they could 150 years ago. Especially if they violate what has been laid out in the constitution.
Saying the first amendment can be temporarily suspended for the greater good is so ridiculous I cant believe how many are agreeing that it is ok.
It was for the greater good that the Louisiana governor and the mayor of New Orleans had cops and National Guard confiscating firearms after Katrina You do realize you are in a fantasy land right? You keep talking about constitutional rights that really are not as you wish they were. When there is a risk of the general population getting a disease the CDC has powers given to them by the congress and the POTUS by executive order to protect the population. Actually there are a lot of rights that are taken away in war time. The war powers act comes to mind. That act can force a company to manufacture products that the country needs. You are actually not worth the time it takes to type this because you are so self centered (and a lot of people see this) and have nothing better to do. Get a hobby or maybe a job. Go do something positive like helping a neighbor or donating time. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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I sure am glad your wrong Larry
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Lol
What do you mean I someone can't stop you from swinging? Go try it! Go out and swing at someone! Go out and pull your gun on someone! I bet someone beats you to a pulp or puts you in the ground! What do you mean I have to wait till after before I can react!?
You all really don't get it do you!?
Wow!
It's a metaphor. Nobody's actually swinging fists, nobody's pulling guns, don't worry. The point is that we don't punish people (by forcing them not to leave their home/throwing them in jail) for what they might do ( like get people sick or do something stupid with a gun), we only punish people (by forcing them not to leave their home or go to prison) for what they've actually done. My right to peaceably assemble with members of my faith is being infringed upon. In some places of the country I could be arrested for going to church. You real don't get that, do you?
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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It used to be legal to own people as property, it used to be legal to force people to the back of the bus, that didn't mean that it was right or constitutional or moral or okay.
Just because it's "legal" to tell someone they can't go to church or assemble doesn't make it right, moral, legal, constitutional, or okay.
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Providing for the general welfare means the rest of the bill of rights can suspended? I think the sand is all packed in your ears. We would not need a bill of rights to restrain the government if governments were not always trying to expand their authority. Why even have a bill of rights if it can be suspended anytime politicians feel like it?
Why are the Muslims not being harassed for peaceful assembly in Florida?
I am beginning to think we are being conditioned to believe that our rights are given to us by the government. That they are not natural rights, or in your case Larry, given to you by your creator.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church
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Lol
What do you mean I someone can't stop you from swinging? Go try it! Go out and swing at someone! Go out and pull your gun on someone! I bet someone beats you to a pulp or puts you in the ground! What do you mean I have to wait till after before I can react!?
You all really don't get it do you!?
Wow!
It's a metaphor. Nobody's actually swinging fists, nobody's pulling guns, don't worry. The point is that we don't punish people (by forcing them not to leave their home/throwing them in jail) for what they might do ( like get people sick or do something stupid with a gun), we only punish people (by forcing them not to leave their home or go to prison) for what they've actually done. My right to peaceably assemble with members of my faith is being infringed upon. In some places of the country I could be arrested for going to church. You real don't get that, do you? Lol Any group over ten. But it's gotta be about you! Right?
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