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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826338
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And it's temporary

Nothing is being taken!

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826347
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So Brian, it was OK to take peoples guns in New Orleans because it was temporary?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: brianmall] #6826349
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Originally Posted by brianmall
And it's temporary

Nothing is being taken!



Yes there is. A lot of jobs are gone.

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: danny clifton] #6826354
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Providing for the general welfare means the rest of the bill of rights can suspended? I think the sand is all packed in your ears. We would not need a bill of rights to restrain the government if governments were not always trying to expand their authority. Why even have a bill of rights if it can be suspended anytime politicians feel like it?

Why are the Muslims not being harassed for peaceful assembly in Florida?

I am beginning to think we are being conditioned to believe that our rights are given to us by the government. That they are not natural rights, or in your case Larry, given to you by your creator.


Danny you do not have the rights you have always thought you had. Sorry to break that to you. In a pandamic or war time things are changed temporarily. I am sorry to break the news to you. You either cannot read, refuse to, or cannot comprehend what it says. Quite. You are in denial. It is temporary and you are already self isolating so I don't know what your problem is. Shut the puter off and you will be fine. LLL


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: danny clifton] #6826358
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
So Brian, it was OK to take peoples guns in New Orleans because it was temporary?



Apples to oranges again.

Do you know why they did it?

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826362
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People like you running around thinking your a coyboy!

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826366
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Would those of you who are so concerned about your rights to assemble actually recommended that New Yorkers just go to church and restaurants and movies and wherever else they would want to assemble right now? I’m curious what you would recommend seeing that there are roughly 85,000 confirmed Cov19 cases and nearly 2,000 people dead?

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826368
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If the general welfare clause allows the government to suspend one right, can they declare another emergency and suspend all of them? What if the President declares that all private news outlets are deceiving people, crowds are promoting health problems, church's are anti government, people are inciting unrest by talking about it, law enforcement is in imminent danger from armed civilians, in light of this the bill of rights is temporarily suspended until further notice. Control and safety must return to American streets.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: danny clifton] #6826370
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If the general welfare clause allows the government to suspend one right, can they declare another emergency and suspend all of them? What if the President declares that all private news outlets are deceiving people, crowds are promoting health problems, church's are anti government, people are inciting unrest by talking about it, law enforcement is in imminent danger from armed civilians, in light of this the bill of rights is temporarily suspended until further notice. Control and safety must return to American streets.



Lots of what ifs!

Point is that your rights don't supercede anothers rights. Others have just as much of a right to be safe from you as you do to gather in a group or carry a gun!

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826379
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Keystone are you hanging out in crowds? You really think New Yorkers are to stupid to avoid contact with each other? Yes I'm sure a handful will go to church. I dont believe restaurants or bar or theaters will be open. At least not many. They won't have any patrons.


The government can not take or give rights. They can only recognize them. Which every politician in our country takes an oath to do.

Sometimes freedom is a little scary.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826388
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safe from me? you think Im going to hug your wife or your kids? I am pretty sure that even in an acceptable hugging situation they are smart enough not to


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Originally Posted by keystone
Would those of you who are so concerned about your rights to assemble actually recommended that New Yorkers just go to church and restaurants and movies and wherever else they would want to assemble right now? I’m curious what you would recommend seeing that there are roughly 85,000 confirmed Cov19 cases and nearly 2,000 people dead?

I don't think anybody would recommend it but....they have every right to assemble because that right does not come from .gov.
If ever the left tries to disarm Americans this virus has showed them how to do it with minimum losses to their forces.
As for me I think like this. To do what is right does not mean a suspension of rights. However, as a freeman I have temporarily forfeited my right to assemble. It's not .govs place to do so.
Anyway for me I'll fear God, not corona.

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: danny clifton] #6826399
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Keystone are you hanging out in crowds? You really think New Yorkers are to stupid to avoid contact with each other? Yes I'm sure a handful will go to church. I dont believe restaurants or bar or theaters will be open. At least not many. They won't have any patrons.


The government can not take or give rights. They can only recognize them. Which every politician in our country takes an oath to do.

Sometimes freedom is a little scary.


Keep talking like a lib danny. Say it enough and you will be right. You just don't get it. Even your counterparts have decided they were wrong but danny still wants to argue and defend liberty that he does not have. Really ignorance is bliss. LLL


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: trapdog1] #6826403
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by brianmall
And it's temporary

Nothing is being taken!



Yes there is. A lot of jobs are gone.


Dead people don't hold too many high paying jobs.
I doubt the Dr and Nurses want their jobs right now and not many are willing to help make their jobs easier. They are not doing it for the money, but because of a calling and certainly not the same calling as the grand standing preachers that we are hearing.

Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826407
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Get the sand of your ears Larry. Grow up. Don't be so cowardly. Claim the rights you are endowed with and recognized in the document that lays out what government can and can not legally do.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: LLtrapper] #6826417
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Proverbs 26:4 ESV
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.


I guess this makes me a fool. LLL


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: loosegoose] #6826418
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Oh and if you knew me cowardly would not be how you would describe me. lol


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Re: Pastor arrested for holding church [Re: danny clifton] #6826422
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Keystone are you hanging out in crowds? You really think New Yorkers are to stupid to avoid contact with each other? Yes I'm sure a handful will go to church. I dont believe restaurants or bar or theaters will be open. At least not many. They won't have any patrons.


The government can not take or give rights. They can only recognize them. Which every politician in our country takes an oath to do.

Sometimes freedom is a little scary.


Unfortunately they do take and give us our rights, i don’t see how you missed that. The local, state, and federal government regulates everything. An example would be fire codes, you can’t assemble as many people as you want in a building at a concert or baseball game or restaurant etc. Our rights are governed no matter how you skin it. As soon as the govt made the constitution you were given rights, from that day they’ve been taking them in one form or another. Your freedom is not as free as you think it is. I’m not saying it’s right i’m pointing out the fact that that’s how it is.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton


The government can not take or give rights. They can only recognize them. Which every politician in our country takes an oath to do.

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FCOL READ the Constitution ! Specifically article 1 section 9. Then move on to the 10th amendment.

Then read the following.

I am not a constitutional attorney but some of you that are need to go back to CONLAW 101.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569983/


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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Keep talking like a lib danny. Say it enough and you will be right. You just don't get it. Even your counterparts have decided they were wrong but danny still wants to argue and defend liberty that he does not have. Really ignorance is bliss. LLL

Just to clear the air, I had quit posting anything as some of y'all are incapable or unwilling to understand what liberty is. I do not in the slightest believe that I was or am wrong. I nor Danny that I can recall ever said we should all go to church or gather in large groups, only that we should not have the right to do so, or any other rights for that matter stripped away. Now I will agree to disagree and probably not post anymore on this topic, appreciate if you don't take it as anything other that I am done.
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