79,000 died the 17-18 flu season.

You didn't hear a peep about it, wonder why?

Im wondering the same thing

Not sure who you've been following on that's simply not the case anymore. 36 doctors in Italy dead. Plenty now in their 30s and 40s here. Healthy people. Yes, some have "pre existing" conditions but just mild asthma or sleep apnea qualifies for that.

Once doc says its over 100 times more contagious that the flu.

Another thinks we will be out of hospital beds by Easter.

I don't listen to news casters on what this thing is. I follow a few docs working the Covid Units. Seems the real experts have a different viewpoint.

This has the potential to be a LOT higher than that. The flu has never totally exhausted the medical profession. Right now most hospitals here have totally ceased all non life threatening surgeries in an attempt to get ready for whats they know is coming a month or so down the road.

Make no mistake....this thing hasn't even taken hold in most parts of the country yet. It's just starting.

Docs at Mayo have canceled their vacations through August. They know this is just the start of things.

And the CDC posts 61,000 deaths associated with the flu in the 17-18 season...Not 79k Not that it matters. Still a bunch.

Calvin, look up global flu deaths. Numbers range from 250,000 to as high as650,00 yearly. This is still below 60,000 worldwide.

Correct....This is STILL. It's JUST getting started here. And why the precautions. And nobody believes China's numbers.

Do you think regular flu has a steady death rate? I believe it's the same as this, starts out with a few and as it spreads it peaks at some point.

I agree with ya, the peak hasn't been reached yet. The earlier countries to get this it has tho, if you look at their numbers. Where we'll end up death wise is hard to tell, same as if we quarantined every flu season how low we could keep that number.

Again, 8 weeks out from anticipated peak here. It's doubling every 4 days. That estimates 1.5 million cases by Easter. On average, 20% of cases need to be hospitalized. We simply don't have that many beds....and why the rush to flatten this curve. This is attempt to flatten the curve isn't something thought up by the govt....its in response to what the medical field anticipating.

It's the medical community that's pushing these measures. The govt's just assists in implementing it.

Be angry if you want but at least be angry at the appropriate group.

Do you really thing Trump wants everyone to be out of work right now? C mon.

I could be all wet, I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong, but I look at it this way....

Every time a new strain hits us, we freak out. Not normally as bad as this time but it's always worse than any strain we've ever seen.
Then it passes and until next flu season we have a vaccine for it and people calm down.

Such is life with travel we have now.

I'm not angry?

I thought we were just talking about this?

I agree that most people never took the flu seriously enough. And I for one didn't realize the deaths from the flu were as high as they are.

My mistake, Hippie. I'm glad you're not angry. It's just a dialog. And it's every changing....especially recently.

Your cool here Calvin, maybe it's the way I talk but no hard feelings at all. Just giving a different perspective is all.

You'll know if I get mad ! Lol

Yes they do but if your read it they say, preliminary results. Go to the next season and its revised to 79,000.

I keep hearing that but I’ve asked no less than 10 people if they know anyone that has died from the flu and to a t not one has, so in my 54 years I know nobody that has. I already know 2 from Covid 19.

As China has been caught lying about the real numbers of deaths there, it is not a correct analysis to quote a figure of 60,000, especially since China just shut their entire nations down again as this virus erupted again. They discovered a shedder who had the virus after almost two and a half months.
I understand the fears of people not wanting this biological weapon to be worse than the flu and I understand that Rush LImbaugh did a great disservice to people on the right in telling them that this is the common cold. He has since changed his analysis.

This Corona has been infecting people for barely 4 months, and has only been regional. To compare it to regular flu in an entire flu season is again, comparing apples to oranges. Debating these points from talk radio propaganda is not a correct examination of the data. This virus is not behaving according to fake Chinese data. This virus is not acting as the CDC said it would. It is in fact doing the exact opposite in it is infecting the demographic of 20 to 50 year olds overwhelming, and not the 70 plus year olds. Almost every state has a Corona website, I suggest everyone interested to visit those sites and read the data. I was just on the Minnesota site, and it has been averaging 50 to 70 cases a day for weeks. The last two days have shown a slight drop. If this continues, Minnesota may have gone past the plateau. The fact is though the first surge will not have passed until Easter. We will not know until May 1st, if areas of the United States have passed the infection peak. There still will be shedders moving around though, and the isolation will have to continue or the United States will erupt again. I state that, as there are still waves coming in this pandemic. This has mainly been located in the Chinese squatter communities and in Caucasians who went out and caught the virus. America has not even begun in the two demographics in which the real problems are in Latino and Indian. Mexico is about to erupt in this virus, and this virus has scorched Spain.

The President and the Governors have done a very good job in blunting this. The people have been stupid in vacation groups and Spring Break. A month ago, most people on here were dismissing this virus, and they were wrong. More are taking this serious, but the fact is, that preparing for the worst case is better than stating time and again that something is worse than Corona, when if the flawed Chinese data is removed, there is running in current numbers worldwide a 20+ percent death rate. Remember in this that there are 8 known strains of this virus which were released, and at last check 40 mutations worldwide.

For the people who have this virus, for the families who have suffered in deaths, the numbers do not matter, as they are the ones harmed by this virus, and they do not care what the flu does or does not do. It is like claiming being struck by lightning is not as bad as dying by cancer, due to the numbers.

Each of us is responsible to not harm others. Our rights end where the other person's right to life begins. That means distancing, washing your hands and not being a problem for the rest of society by being stupid. I will use Kathy Griffin as an example. She knew a pandemic was taking place, went to Mexico, caught diarrhea, came back to California, took a hospital bed from someone who needed it, and then started whining about the doctor would not test her for Corona and Trump was a liar. Each of us has to not make mistakes in being in an accident or getting sick, as those beds are needed for Corona patients. This is bigger than a pastor lying to people and holding a service endangering deluded people that they won't get the virus in a church.
Just remember in this, that if you give this virus to someone in a pandemic, and they die or end up with damaged lungs, some lawyer after this is done with is going to sue you for all you have, as all of that testing going on is tracking people as spreaders.

This virus is a problem for America and the world. Debating the unknown in what the end death toll is, is not scientific. The real numbers are on March 12th, there were 4981 deaths in the world "reported". As of April 2nd, as this moved into the west where real data was reported, there were 53,176 dead. In other words, almost 48,000 people died in 2 weeks. Add two more weeks and that is 96,000 dead, add May and it will be 192,000 dead for a partial flu season. Those numbers begin approaching what Dr. Fauci is advising the President on, but again those are global numbers, and again, South and Latin America have not begun their peak.

Watch the data and track it like a trapline. It will reveal what this creature is in Coronavirus in the facts.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Nice to know Hippie.

Another point of the old age deaths in Italy were due to the lack of beds (and they reportedly had more beds per capita that here in the U.S). Due to that, they cut off the availability of a bed to anyone over 80 yrs old...so of course that became the statistical bracket that died far more than the under 80 yr old population. I know doctors here are very concerned that they may have to make a similar age limit cutoff if these numbers keep doubling like they are.

.......this not the flu! it needs to be slowed or contained now!

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Never said anyone has been arrested for it yet, only that it could get you arrested. 40 miles north of me in Lincoln ne, there are no gatherings allowed of any kind of more than 10 people, including religious gatherings. If you're caught, first someone from the health department will come and try to talk to you, and if you refuse, then police will show up and ticket or arrest you. So yes, I absolutely could get arrested there for holding a church service in my home with 12 people present.. Here is the link directly to the city government's website.

Directly from the site..."Gatherings for any reason of more than 10 people in single spaces".[/quote]


Then follow some simple guidelines and invite 10 instead of being a right fighting rebel till we get through this,smh