Being from WI we have to use CRs, I started out with 7X7 3/32 cable had a ton of chew outs then I went to using 1/19X 3/32. We can't use any cable smaller then 3/32. I also used a barrel swivel In that set up. I never had another chew out.
I like to have my loop loaded since I hate that tear drop looking loop. We are restricted to a 12" loop size and with a loaded snare I can get that full 12".
I don't snare coon only coyotes.

When dealing with a heavy cable like 3/32 the load is your best friend IMHO. I use 3/32 double-loaded 1x19 sometimes also when I can not tangle and must stake in the open. because it is fast and gets the lock down on the animal so the lock can set on the first tug. The double load does speed the lock's travel.

I keep hearing people talking about the difference in setting a snare or a CR. The only difference is regulation not in operation. They are set the same way concerning the loops, hight, and supports. the regulations of where and anchors and parts are the difference. NJ started using cable in 1986 as our only tool for K9 and became our tool of choice for everything until the DP was aloud for coon. We were the first eastern state to use the cable restraints,. they were called back then the nonlethal body griping restraining snare. Now we call it a cable restraint. We have a 2-inch deer stop, swivel and only lock we can not use is a cam lock. and we do not have brake aways. nor do we need them. and we have tangle allowed and is preferred. A CR will kill an animal if I want it dead and it will keep the animal alive if I want it alive, tangle or not and the same is true with the snare. Tangle does not kill!!!! wrap kills!!!!!!!. I want my animals in the tangle of brush, out of sight feeling calm and out of sight, so they stop fighting the cable. Coyotes are the exception who knows what they are going to do. Dogs if leashed trained and walked on a lead or kept on a chain, when caught in cable, be it Snare or CR, they do not fight the cable they just wait. The difference in a cr and snare parts and your state regs.

As a note, I showed a video at this past trapping and snaring school of a large raccoon walking right through a standard load 5/64th 7x7 loop.

I have been using crush on BADs they are suppose to release at 350 LBs Last year I had 6 BAD failures and I mean that those coyotes weer gone before I got there. And when your trapping $100.00 coyotes for a study that really hurts. So this year It was even worse I lost 7 out of 10 coyotes and 3 popped the BAD while I was getting out of the truck. The study was over so they weren't $100.00 coyotes. I never had this BAD problem when I was using 7X7X 3/32.

Do you think that the 1X19 could be the problem? If a person was set up to use these BADs on 7X7X 3/32 and then went to using 1X19X 3/32 seconds could that make a difference In the crush factor?
I have considered using Jhook type BADs. But I'm not going to build them myself.

1x19 us slicker and has a lower rating than the same size in 7x7.0 that's why you have to double on on the stop buttons if you use those instead of double ferrules.

1 x 19 is smoother. so maybe. I only install the j type for my customers.

Beav,you may know this but the 7x7 crimp on stops should not be used for 1x19.They make a different crimp on stop for that.You need to use the proper crimper,as well.Don't hammer them on.I'm not sure what you mean by "crush"?

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He's talking about release ferrules for BAD's and if I had that kind of failure rate, I'd cut them off and switch to j-hooks or s-hooks, also shorten up my cables to the minimum length required to make my loop and get the height I want and still be long enough to reach the ground to anchor it, for me that would be 66" or so.

Back to the OP, you can, contrary to what you've heard, neck snare the vast majority of your coons with fast loaded snares and its especially easy in areas like yours where the coons run very large. Based on my experience, you must set the right sized loop, the right height off the ground and you must use a VERY stiff support wire with a very solid support collar. Your snare needs a smooth aggressive non-relaxing lock and you need some entanglement to get the coons wrapped up for best results. BAD's are, IMO, for coyote snares but if you're setting your coon snares on blatant deer trails they would be a good idea there as well (I just set them on coon trails.).

I buy them from who I thought was a repeatable dealer. And when I spoke of CRUSH on BADs I could have said Crimp On.
Correct me If I'm wrong but I was told when using 1x19 that a steel BAD with inside threads should be used. Instead of the standard aluminum BAD.
I have a few CRs with J hook BADs and It looks like they have used some type of a threaded nut as a stop. I can see where that Is never going to slip off the cable.
I'm fed up with losing coyotes to substandard equipment.

I know he is talking about release ferrules but he first used ones for 7x7 and later switched to 1x19 cable.If he tried to use the same release ferrule,he will have losses.The 1x19 ferrules are longer and require two crimps with the proper crimping tool for the job.The snare shop has those tested and they are rated at 350 #,if done correctly but they really must be done correctly.If hammered on,they wouldn't be legal here.

As stated,I have had very good luck with even 285 # release ferrules.I just thought if Beav were using the wrong ferrule,switching may curtail some of those losses.I realize cable restraints can be a recipe for failure but maybe his setup can be improved.

Sorry,Beav,I was typing while you posted.I get the steel stop thing.But I am still ngs sure if you are using release ferrules?

1.If you are,you need the 1x19 release ferrules and you need to crimp twice,with that company's crimper.
2.The 7x7 ferrules are shorter and use 1 crimp.The 1x19 ferrules are longer and require two crimps.Both use the same tool,however.I hope this makes sense to you.
3.I wish I had more experience with the 1x19.I have the 5/64" release ferrules but just haven't used them much yet.If you used them correctly,and they still failed,I agree,you will have to change something.Good luck with it.Cable restraints have got to be tough to use.
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You boys need to be reading what I said I don't make my own snares I have them made by. &&&&&&&.

I started out with CRs made by the same guy and they came as 7 X 7 3/32. I had no say It's what I bought. Yes I had maybe 1 or 2 BADs let go. But I had way to many chew outs.
So I talked to a few guys about what I should do. They all recommended that I go to 1X19X3/32. They also told me I should use a barrel swivel about mid way in that cable. So I talked to the snare maker and told him what I wanted. I also stated I wanted the tag end of my CR made from 7X7X3/32. I just figured It would be easier to work with. They had 350 LB BADs and were 72" long.
And then the crap started to hit the fan, no more chew outs but lots of self releasing coyotes. The first year using them I caught and killed 34 coyotes and lost 4 do to the BADs letting go. I didn't feel that was to bad. But then when I started the coyote study I was losing $100.00 coyotes and that was not expectable. And It's really bad when they hit the end of the cable and run off while your standing there.
I made more then one call to my supplier. He just kind of laughed It off and said well you could just use some lock- tite or just hammer them down a bit. Well I wasn't going to do that because It might have got me busted. Although when I brought that up He said well WI wardens don't have any testing devices so you should be Ok.
So as you can see I'm just a bit &&&&ed off and I'm going to move on. My supplier did say he would correct my CRs by replacing the crimp on BADs with J hooks but I'm not sure If I will go that route. I have 50 some CRs that I don't trust.
I'm not mentioning any names but most of you already know who I buy my CRs from.

The thing I don't understand Is the majority of The CRs with these Crimp on BADs seem to hold up just fine to coyote struggles but then there Is that percentage that fail. And In my opinion there Isn't a coyote In the world that should pop a 350Lb BAD.

There I got that off my chest.

You're confusing BADs for stops. BADs won't be steel with threads, but they do require different crimping as Taxi said for various types and sizes of cable. I know the guy where you get your CRs and he's as good as they get, however all he can do is build them per the manufacturer recommendations on the BADs, which obviously is not working. If you'd contact him and ask, I'm sure he'd fix the ones you have with a more reliable BAD for that cable, unless you've ticked him off with all your complaining about them on here, maybe he'd tell you to pound rocks.

You were posting while I was posting so you didn't get the whole story.
And I'm not the only one that has this problem. I have received a few PMs where others are having this problem. So I'm not the Lone Ranger.

Beav,I understand a little better now,I think.You are right,the release ferrules should not let go.I have a couple questions-are the 1x19 release ferrules longer than on the 7x7 and do the 1x19 have two crimps?

Good post ADC.Sounds like the builder knows what he is doing.

I think all the USDA testing on various bads, you will have some losses in totes no matter the BAD.

Release ferrule or BAD break away device. Same o same o


The builder Is using the same BAD On the 7X7 and the 1X19. It's aluminum and It's about a 1/8" long and has a shoulder on each outside edge. In most cases there Is hardly any cable sticking out from the BAD.
In my opinion the builder Is doing something wrong.

You missed the part where I said all the snare builder can do is put the BADs on the CR's the way the manufacturer says, if it doesn't work then its not his fault. It sounds like to me he offered to fix them and instead you chose to keep using them, knowing they were prone to failing and then come on here and repeatedly bash them.

My buddy lost 8 coyotes out of 15 that he caught same builder that built my CRs.
He tossed those CRs then he bought some CRs from another builder that used J hook BADs and caught 15 more coyotes and never lost a one.
Those BADs are for releasing deer not coyotes.

Beave,it sounds like he is using the 7x7 BAD on the 1x19.The 1x19 should be considerably longer and crimped twice.I am surprised you did not have 100% failures.I will try to get pictures of the two types I have.