I don't think consistency is the issue, beav's were consistently coming off. The trouble is they were obviously not close to the 350# break-away they were rated for by the release ferrule manufacturer. I have only had one J-hook open on a coyote and mine are rated at 285#, a 350# would likely not even open on a leg caught Wi. yearly deer, again adding to the stupidity of the "feel good regulations" like CRs.

I had coons chew on the 1x19 5/64. But havent lost one to chew out. I did lose a beaver on a buff river bank. 7x7 3/32 it kept twisting broke the cable. I had a snare on beaver hole . Right by the sided I caught it at. Next night I caught the beaver with part of snare still on it. I was so happy to catch it 2x. One of my very first snare catch. I started out on beaver. I am so hooked on snaring. I like making my on snares .

Since I'm not a snare builder and if I want to cut off the crimp on BADS and add J hook BADs what do I need to do?

Beav,I have no experience with the J BAD's.Maybe A DC can help.Have you looked at Wisconsin's cable restraint information? It looks like you need a 285# BAD,a deer stop,a large washer lock? Do you also need a loop size limiting stop?

Who is making and selling these defective snares?

I'd have to see them to be sure. You may have to move the deer stops if you have to cut off too much of the cable with the new end stop among other things. I wish I lived closer I'd stop by (after the pandemic) and show you how or do them for ya.

Everyone who is making CRs with release ferrules on 1x19 3/32" cable most likely.

I have seen the S style BADs open or malfunction. Not the J, but not saying they will never malfunction, they will and have. There is a lot that goes into how these work. Temperature, length of travel, over compress or under compress, or maybe just a bad batch of metal or temper. These are mechanical devices and they can fail. just like a crimped stop, and every snare/CR manufacture has had crimps slip. We do not like it to happen, nor do we want them to, but they will happen unless we pay attention. We don't want them to but they can. This is why I put 3 crimps on every double Ferrel, IS IT OVERKILL YES, but I am still going to do it.

I have not installed the release Ferrels that we are talking about on any of my CRs going out, because to be truthful I did not trust them without testing and using them my self first, and would not want this type of thing to happen to my customers or me LOL. I will be testing them this summer though to find out when and where they work and excel, and finding out when and where they fail and they will do both. I can say this, I would think the person that made these in question did not intend to have this happen. and most likely out of their control, and will make things right. But the one thing I have learned in using cable as my only K9 trapping tool ( no foot traps in NJ) and a large percent in my ADC work since 1986 is, things happen. cable breaks and many times we can't explain why or how, just like a car breaking down or a pasture fence snap, it just did. I have seen a batch of my cables stop a snow machine dead in its tracks, yet 2 days later the same batch has a deer slip a crimp with a leg catch. I will also say here and this is my personal thoughts I HATE BADs and see no need for them if the snaremen uses their heads, but again I don't set pastures with livestock and I have no moose or elk to deal with LOL Didn't say I won't use them when regs say to, but I HATE THEM !!!! LOL

use 2- 7x7 release ferrules on 3/32" 1x19 cable.

Yes there is a size differance in cables. Mic Chinese cable and good Korean cable. The chinese cable is smaller.
I said GOOD Korean cable. Not all Korean cable meet my standards.

I can see your reasoning but wouldn't 2 BADs make a WI legal CR Illegal? I can see a warden having a field day with that set up.

Possibly, but do you think you could talk to the local wardens and see what they would say? Just a thought.

I have removed deer stops before but if I had no experience with building snares,that would be tricky
Honestly Beav,I think you should call your builder and see if he can switch those over to the J BAD's.You asked him to install release ferrules and he got the only 3/32" ones available.I think he made an honest mistake.

You have already improved the cable chewing issue.Now all you have to do is get the J hooks on and you should be back in business.Good luck.

Did you have them tested to see what poundage they break away?

I did some calling and talked to a few individuals and everyone said you can't use the same BADs on the 2 different types of cable. One person said the BAD on 1x19 should be about 1/4" long and crimped at least twice.
I dug out some of my original CRs that were made from 7X7 and they have the same BADS as the newer 1x19 cable. Some Info I got suggested that two different crimpers should be used. but some didn't think the crimper thing was a big deal.

I know cable can be a big deal. Back In the day when we first started using these CRs Trapper Art was building them and things were going well for him. Then there was a big problem with a lot of failures. He tracked It back to bad cable actually the cable was just a tad smaller In diameter and that's what caused the problems. So I can see where cable can be the main culprit in these failures. I suppose if the cable Isn't wound tight It would be a real problem when It came to the diameter.

The next CRs I order will have J hook BADs.

Beav have you used the 1/8 CRs much? Findings?
I used some 1/8 snares in S. Indiana for a few seasons...caught fur really no issues
except I had to choose my location so there was plenty to hide/blend cable.

We can't use entanglement so things are pretty open In most of our situations.

Remember taking to Hank S about the first few years of using CRs in Wisconsin he mimicked your statements...
Had to stay back a ways so the coyote didn’t get nervous and shoot it...lol
Forgot to mention the 1/8 inch snares I used were 7x7 cable

Thanks Newt, I haven't used many release ferrules, mostly all 285lb j-hooks. I don't think a 350# bad if in fact it didn't release until 350# would release foot/leg caught smaller deer. They really aren't that hard to release though, just put a catch pole on them and knock them over cut it off and let em go.

Dont know your small deer are BIG deer.a big buck might hit 90
Does a big one will go 70

I'm not putting 2 BADs on my set up that would just be looking for a ticket. I'll just have them built with the correct BAD.