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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6839162
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Towards the side of pan was much higher. In the 60s and up around the coil springs. Moving it around at 1 inch It would run 32 around levers and 55 to 65 to space to bottom left of pan. Coil springs area. I wonder what readings it will give buried. I had to try to dead center it and hold steady over dead center to get 27 to 30 range
You’re reading over 47 is what counts it’ll tell you where he’s going to dig or smell. So far if you’re getting the Same readings tomorrow It will explain why the trap is catching so many coyotes


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6839166
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Ok. Will post some results in morning Buried in sand. I pack my traps fairly tight between the jaws. And bury the trap deeper than most Will see what number I get. Tommorrow. Will deferent soils produce. Different readings??? Be interesting to ser

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6839316
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What happens if I put a refrigerator magnet under the pan.
What if I use a stainless steel trap

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6839353
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What if I wrap copper wire around my cage traps, to make a Faraday's cage. So to speak

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: wetdog] #6839362
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Originally Posted by wetdog
What happens if I put a refrigerator magnet under the pan.
What if I use a stainless steel trap

Try anything it’s just a test. Whole purpose for using magnetometers is to do the test.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6839372
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
Originally Posted by wetdog
What happens if I put a refrigerator magnet under the pan.
What if I use a stainless steel trap

Try anything it’s just a test. Whole purpose for using magnetometers is to do the test.

Even with stainless steel a coyote would be able to train him self to detect it with enough experiences. Same as with a prospecting dog.It would just depend on how many surviving experiences he had.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6839373
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[/quote] How old the animal makes a big difference. He may not have had the opportunity or experience is to determine what has been hurting his friends. A lot of animals have the ability but I like a beagle dog just kind of go crazy sometimes And don’t respond to you
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Most of my hard to catch animals are older females with young or are trap shy/smart to cages. The males, for the most part, are much easier to catch, again until they get older and have been caught a few times and taken to another location and released. After 40 years of wildlife control / ADC as my living, I can see and know what I am dealing with on my jobs based on the behavior I see (not a habit) the animal is showing. I know catch and relocate or translocate to a different territory causes a lot of the cage trap avoidance, and I can see the behavior of the animal and tells me that is the problem. I key in on one animal over a few days so I can see behavior in response to my actions, a positive for me that I do not have when fur trapping and setting locations to skim the top, and not keying in on one animal to solve a problem. When I see the behavior, I can just go to another presentation or method and catch them unless extremely trap shy then they just take off because of too much negative pressure. But sometimes there is no obvious sign or behavior why the animal is avoiding the cage. I want to see if this magnetic field stuff could explain why for no reason I can see an animal is avoiding the cage. Many times when I have a certain behavior with the cage and I can see it, I simply will add another trap at another location along the travel way a distance from the den entry and catch the animal. I have always thought this was due to den safety factors that many animals will have especially with pregnant or nursing females. (Many springtime fox and coyote control trappers see this behavior if and when setting to close to the den with pups.) So I want to see if at these jobs, where the animal is for no reason behavior-wise that are avoiding the cage. I want to see if, in fact, it is a high magnetic field issue. There is some stuff being done for the wildlife control field on my Cage trap smart cage trap shy and cage trap neutral observations. I would like to see if this magnetic field has any teeth. As a fur trapper, I do not care about missing a 6 dollar animal, but in my ADC/wildlife control business, I do care about missing a 300 dollar animal. So I will be trying to prove your theory right.

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6839487
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Ron I have found much of the same observations in my lifetime.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: wetdog] #6839496
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Originally Posted by wetdog
What if I wrap copper wire around my cage traps, to make a Faraday's cage. So to speak

Faraday cage blocks the harmful effects of a magnetic field. A properly made cage trap rearranges the field where it forms a reduced field going through the trap making the animal less likely to Avoid. A reduced field in a Cage trap creates a calming affect to the animal. Eliminating the field completely would not create that effect. It’s in my copyrighted writings. A body grip trap and a snare are similar.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6839562
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Ok. Will post some results in morning Buried in sand. I pack my traps fairly tight between the jaws. And bury the trap deeper than most Will see what number I get. Tommorrow. Will deferent soils produce. Different readings??? Be interesting to ser

Clay soil is more dense than sand, makes a big difference. The deeper the better, up to 1 inch. Deeper than that ya may not get a good pad catch. Whenever I see yotes scratching it's always at the dog or at the levers. Used to think it was from rust or poor bedding. So I started to pack it in hard, still had em scratching at the same areas of the trap. Remakes are the worst for this. Witch could explain why some yotes avoid remakes?

The old female yotes are the worst for this, mommas are the teachers! Males are the providers!

ST do you have any MB450s? If so try them and see if they help..

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: trappergbus] #6839604
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Trappergbus. I don't have any MB 450s. I have some BMI K9 Wolfers. Tested them with Tesla Bot. Got 16 as a low over pan. 22 to 29 over stainless steel dog area. But right or left of pan. Was all over the place Toward coil springs I guess Readings higher that MB 550s. All over the place 22 to 51.

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6839614
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Hmm, I know that big heavy frame traps have the highest reading, especially 4 coiled..


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6839633
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Trappergbus. I don't have any MB 450s. I have some BMI K9 Wolfers. Tested them with Tesla Bot. Got 16 as a low over pan. 22 to 29 over stainless steel dog area. But right or left of pan. Was all over the place Toward coil springs I guess Readings higher that MB 550s. All over the place 22 to 51.

Trap should be placed on ground set.Run the magnetometer over the top of the trap as close to the trap as you can without touching it.Record your highest readingsThat’s where the Coyote Will target. It will have to be over magnetic field of the earth where you are for him to notice it.Touch it with your iPhone if that iPhone you’re using has a cover over it.

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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: trappergbus] #6839666
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BMI are 4 coiled. So maybe that's why they are higher than MB 550s around coil area

Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Artrapper16] #6839727
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With our magnetic fields, could we be charging the flora or area around our sets? I tell students to leave good energy at the set to make sure to catch the older more experienced animals as well as the young of the year.

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Originally Posted by coalbank
With our magnetic fields, could we be charging the flora or area around our sets? I tell students to leave good energy at the set to make sure to catch the older more experienced animals as well as the young of the year.

Positive ions of A magnetic field breaks down organic material and can change the molecular structure of water. If it’s strong enough overtime will destroy cells altering the genetic makeup of an animal DNA.


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: Kirk De] #6839766
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
Originally Posted by coalbank
With our magnetic fields, could we be charging the flora or area around our sets? I tell students to leave good energy at the set to make sure to catch the older more experienced animals as well as the young of the year.

Positive ions of A magnetic field breaks down organic material and can change the molecular structure of water. If it’s strong enough overtime will destroy cells altering the genetic makeup of an animal DNA.

What this does is break down the molecules left at the set increasing the stink left by the coyote.Or any other animal that was caught


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Re: Magnetic field of coyote traps [Re: steeltraps] #6839890
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
BMI are 4 coiled. So maybe that's why they are higher than MB 550s around coil area


That trap is also very compact with the parts jammed closer to each other.The coil springs are also,equal in size,unlike many coil spring 4x4's.

Now,how much do coils themselves affect readings?Has anyone tested a longspring trap to see how it reacts?

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Taxi. We were just talking about that! How did Pud Long and James Lucero catch 1000 plus a year with long spring ??? Would like to see reading on some long spring traps!!

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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Taxi. We were just talking about that! How did Pud Long and James Lucero catch 1000 plus a year with long spring ??? Would like to see reading on some long spring traps!!

I believe you’ll find that the type of set will correspond with the way the springs are placed in relationship to the pan.That will be determined by the radiating magnetic field from the trap.


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