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A family friend passed over the weekend . He was diagnosed with bladder cancer 8 months ago and it had spread to several places in his body. It went to his lungs and brain around first of feb. Dr gave him 2-3 weeks to live but he lasted a month or so. He was hospitalized during his last days. When his wife received the death certificate she was LIVID !!!!!!! WHY you ask or can guess. It was listed as cause of death covid-19. OK this is bad in 2 ways I know of. First it inflates the totals so the media can mouth . Ok no biggee !!! BUT he was covered under a cancer policy that paid a certain amount upon his death if the cause of death was cancer . It paid when he was diagnosed but now they are questioning the cause of death.
I see a law suit !!!!!!!!
Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
#6857584 04/28/2004:33 PM04/28/2004:33 PM
jbyrd63 , Was there any signs or diagnosis of covid19 in your family friend ?
If none , I would definitely contact a attorney ASAP.
Falsifying a medical document is serious. Some states it is a felony with possible fines up to $250,000 and 5 years.
Maybe the NYC attorney firms should look into expanding into that particular areas of claims , looks like they could find plenty of family members to be plaintiffs.
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Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
#6857653 04/28/2006:01 PM04/28/2006:01 PM
Not surprised either roughly 20 deaths a month in my area never hear from what but they are mostly up in age What i do know is Nurses and other staff at our regional Hospital have had their work hours cut in half due to low census (no Patients) However the Hospital is paying them their full weekly wage Money coming from a "special"fund
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Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: Cragar]
#6857936 04/28/2011:00 PM04/28/2011:00 PM
jbyrd63 , Was there any signs or diagnosis of covid19 in your family friend ?
If none , I would definitely contact a attorney ASAP.
Falsifying a medical document is serious. Some states it is a felony with possible fines up to $250,000 and 5 years.
Maybe the NYC attorney firms should look into expanding into that particular areas of claims , looks like they could find plenty of family members to be plaintiffs.
You do know that not all deaths or cases are confirmed. On the charts they give it says "confirmed and presumptive" If they have mucus in the lungs it goes as covid. It had spread to their lungs so the cancer I'm sure was causing mucus.
A former US senator that is now practicing medicine in an ER said he received a 7 page e-mail outlining how to fill out a death certificate that leaned toward covid Cause Of Death, if there was anything in the lungs. Most cancer patients unless they have a stroke or heart attack will get pneumonia in the last days of life......
Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: AntiGov]
#6858018 04/29/2012:55 AM04/29/2012:55 AM
The only way to know for sure is to do an autopsy with tissue analysis and with 58,000 deaths over the last 50 days it’s going to be months if not years to process all of these. I’m sure there are people making educated guesses but for reimbursement purposes I’d also guess covid-19 was the overall cause that tipped them to death. That’s why many states are saying lots of people who died from covid had underlying medical problems.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be a hospital’s limited pathology department in NYC or Wuhan or Detroit or Baton Rouge or Chicago, etc., when bodies were being toe tagged, bagged and stacked in freezer trucks because there was no morgue space. I don’t fault the medical / public health people for trying their best under the circumstances they’re facing. Anybody who’s ever faced or even studied triage medicine knows what this is about. Mistakes are made. But it isn’t for a lack of trying. Let’s let the doctors, hospital administrators and medical legal people do their jobs and stop harping like armchair quarterbacks.
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Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: Teacher]
#6858028 04/29/2001:44 AM04/29/2001:44 AM
The only way to know for sure is to do an autopsy with tissue analysis and with 58,000 deaths over the last 50 days it’s going to be months if not years to process all of these. I’m sure there are people making educated guesses but for reimbursement purposes I’d also guess covid-19 was the overall cause that tipped them to death. That’s why many states are saying lots of people who died from covid had underlying medical problems.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be a hospital’s limited pathology department in NYC or Wuhan or Detroit or Baton Rouge or Chicago, etc., when bodies were being toe tagged, bagged and stacked in freezer trucks because there was no morgue space. I don’t fault the medical / public health people for trying their best under the circumstances they’re facing. Anybody who’s ever faced or even studied triage medicine knows what this is about. Mistakes are made. But it isn’t for a lack of trying. Let’s let the doctors, hospital administrators and medical legal people do their jobs and stop harping like armchair quarterbacks.
Yes, I'm sure it's all on the up-and-up.
The situation in jbyrd's post is not an isolated incident. They're cooking the books.
Mike
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Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: Teacher]
#6858051 04/29/2005:42 AM04/29/2005:42 AM
The only way to know for sure is to do an autopsy with tissue analysis and with 58,000 deaths over the last 50 days it’s going to be months if not years to process all of these. I’m sure there are people making educated guesses but for reimbursement purposes I’d also guess covid-19 was the overall cause that tipped them to death. That’s why many states are saying lots of people who died from covid had underlying medical problems.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be a hospital’s limited pathology department in NYC or Wuhan or Detroit or Baton Rouge or Chicago, etc., when bodies were being toe tagged, bagged and stacked in freezer trucks because there was no morgue space. I don’t fault the medical / public health people for trying their best under the circumstances they’re facing. Anybody who’s ever faced or even studied triage medicine knows what this is about. Mistakes are made. But it isn’t for a lack of trying. Let’s let the doctors, hospital administrators and medical legal people do their jobs and stop harping like armchair quarterbacks.
Agreed. And no real way of knowing as (at least locally) they will NOT do autopsy's on anyone suspected of having covid...and I don't blame them one bit.
Last edited by Calvin; 04/29/2005:43 AM.
Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: Teacher]
#6858058 04/29/2005:58 AM04/29/2005:58 AM
The only way to know for sure is to do an autopsy with tissue analysis and with 58,000 deaths over the last 50 days it’s going to be months if not years to process all of these. I’m sure there are people making educated guesses but for reimbursement purposes I’d also guess covid-19 was the overall cause that tipped them to death. That’s why many states are saying lots of people who died from covid had underlying medical problems.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be a hospital’s limited pathology department in NYC or Wuhan or Detroit or Baton Rouge or Chicago, etc., when bodies were being toe tagged, bagged and stacked in freezer trucks because there was no morgue space. I don’t fault the medical / public health people for trying their best under the circumstances they’re facing. Anybody who’s ever faced or even studied triage medicine knows what this is about. Mistakes are made. But it isn’t for a lack of trying. Let’s let the doctors, hospital administrators and medical legal people do their jobs and stop harping like armchair quarterbacks.
Explain to me the need for "refrigerator trucks". Even at the height of the epidemic in NY, there was 800 deaths per day "from covid", any other day of the year there was an average of 4000 deaths per day in NY. How can a short term increase in deaths of less than 20% require the need for a temp. morgue? Arguably, half of these people were going to die shortly anyway so the net increase was probably only about 10 %. so why the freezer trucks?
Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
#6858067 04/29/2006:20 AM04/29/2006:20 AM
I doubt the increase was even 10%. It was an over reaction to bad information and now politicians want to hide from their over reaction. Real information must have been available or Sweden would not have reacted the way they did.
Maybe the good thing that comes from it will be no more U.S. tax dollars to W.H.O. Looks like the Chinese were not the great boogyman after all. Time to be wary when your T.V. starts telling you another country is the boogeyman.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
#6858080 04/29/2006:44 AM04/29/2006:44 AM
Diggerman, I just read from multiple sources that your 4000 deaths a day in NYC is wrong. Way wrong. At most, it’s a couple hundred. So if you add hundreds more to that, the idea of freezer trucks isn’t a bad idea.
I remember studying how deaths are officially classified but I don’t remember exactly how they come to the final diagnosis. It’s been too long since those classes. But it’s rare today that official notices of death say “natural causes” anymore. Covid-19 isn’t a natural cause anymore than a gunshot wound. But when bodies are stacked in freezer trucks, put in boxes and buried in mass graves, who has time for an official autopsy?
Nobody has died of pneumonia since covid reared it ugly head.
id guess there are very few deaths that arent from covid in the past couple months. its all about the money which is why the numbers they are puting out is not even close. they inflate the numbers to strike fear into the flock
Re: All deaths are covid !!!
[Re: jbyrd63]
#6858271 04/29/2011:44 AM04/29/2011:44 AM
And even with the exaggerated death numbers, the death rate is nowhere near the projections that were only best guesses early on. Those estimates have not happened.
What was done early on may have made some difference, especially cancelling the big events where thousands of folks would be packed into small areas like major sports events.
And I am glad the early gloom and doom numbers have not happened. And every day, more is learned by the people directly involved whether it gets reported to the masses or not.
I watched the entire briefing that the two ER Doctors from CA did before You Tube censored it and I believe they hit the nail on the head. Based on what we know today, it is time to start opening thing back up. Continuing what we are doing now is worse than the disease we are trying to prevent.
My opinion, your mileage may vary and you are welcome to stay under your rock if you so chose.