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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868527
05/10/20 10:28 AM
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I have carried a weapon, ie rifle of pistol my entire life either open or concealed. I can not tell you how many times a citizen of this country has told me "I never thought it could happen to me". Carry open or carry concealed. If you have a problem with either you are against the 2nd Amendment. What do you not understand about Shall not be Infringed. I remember when Florida had a lot to do about getting this concealed carry thing going years ago. Everyone said Florida would be the wild wild west. WRONG people could now defend themselves!


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: Getting There] #6868532
05/10/20 10:32 AM
05/10/20 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Your confusing non gun owners with anti gun people


Jeff: You maybe right, but sure seeing a lot of non gun owners not liking people that have guns and carry them.


And in this "pandemic" were also seeing lots of non gun owners suddenly becoming gun owners and posibly pro gun.


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868535
05/10/20 10:34 AM
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Like the saying goes , a house divided against itself cannot stand .

Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868539
05/10/20 10:37 AM
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I am completely in favor of the right to bear and carry arms, but what I would like to see - at least in CT - is the right to be actually able to use them.

Some states you can legally defend yourself, and it's cool - nothing will happen to you - but in CT if you pull the trigger and you are not literally with your back up against your bedroom wall with no window to jump out of, you are the one one who will go to jail, and that needs to change.

2nd amendment to me should also allow the firearm owner to be able to use their firearm as they see fit, within reason.

I'm not saying let's have it like the wild west, but if one can legitimately use a firearm in self defense or to be able to stop a crime in progress or say a mass shooting, that should 100% be backed by law and not only be legal but encouraged.

Because of the strict laws in CT regarding use of a firearm, I don't carry - because I don't like the idea that I could be locked up for doing the right thing.


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Big George + Loki the Dog.....
East Derby, CT
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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: Big George W] #6868548
05/10/20 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Big George W
I am completely in favor of the right to bear and carry arms, but what I would like to see - at least in CT - is the right to be actually able to use them.

Some states you can legally defend yourself, and it's cool - nothing will happen to you - but in CT if you pull the trigger and you are not literally with your back up against your bedroom wall with no window to jump out of, you are the one one who will go to jail, and that needs to change.

2nd amendment to me should also allow the firearm owner to be able to use their firearm as they see fit, within reason.

I'm not saying let's have it like the wild west, but if one can legitimately use a firearm in self defense or to be able to stop a crime in progress or say a mass shooting, that should 100% be backed by law and not only be legal but encouraged.

Because of the strict laws in CT regarding use of a firearm, I don't carry - because I don't like the idea that I could be locked up for doing the right thing.


Did you read the last sentence you wrote?
If you don’t carry and actually need a gun then I’m afraid you won’t be around to defend yourself.
Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

Last edited by Wanna Be; 05/10/20 10:44 AM.
Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: Big George W] #6868556
05/10/20 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Big George W
I am completely in favor of the right to bear and carry arms, but what I would like to see - at least in CT - is the right to be actually able to use them.

Some states you can legally defend yourself, and it's cool - nothing will happen to you - but in CT if you pull the trigger and you are not literally with your back up against your bedroom wall with no window to jump out of, you are the one one who will go to jail, and that needs to change.

2nd amendment to me should also allow the firearm owner to be able to use their firearm as they see fit, within reason.

I'm not saying let's have it like the wild west, but if one can legitimately use a firearm in self defense or to be able to stop a crime in progress or say a mass shooting, that should 100% be backed by law and not only be legal but encouraged.

Because of the strict laws in CT regarding use of a firearm, I don't carry - because I don't like the idea that I could be locked up for doing the right thing.

That's why you move out of those states. All the other same people are leaving CT

Last edited by SNIPERB🦝; 05/10/20 10:54 AM.
Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868559
05/10/20 10:58 AM
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I was on a motor cycle ride in TN. I had stopped at a rest area to take a brake. A fellow motor cycle rider came up to me and we started BSing like most bike rider do. In talking he said, I don't want to know if you are or not, but are you packing IF NOT you should be. People things are changing
it is not like it use to be. There is no one better at protecting yourself than you. You have to have the right mind set when carrying a weapon. JMO


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: Finster] #6868578
05/10/20 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Finster
Originally Posted by Ken Mclellan
People that display their weapon in stores and restaurants put me on edge and I don’t like it. I think they are all members of numb nuts are us. Out of sight out of mind.

So what you are saying is that because you don't like it, no one should have the right?

I’m not saying anything more or less than what I wrote. Its that simple. You remind me of BuckNE for some reason.


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868587
05/10/20 11:29 AM
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Agree with you 100% The people i see when i take a drive thru State land arent berry pickers and nature folks anymore Thats why i have a cpl According to MSP the vehicle conceals the firearm as well as a jacket or shirt conceals part or all of the firearm so its necessary IMO Just dont believe showing a firearm in an area where i might intimidate someone is the answer


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868610
05/10/20 11:48 AM
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More and more there are people around here that have a small pistol on their belt, half covered by the shirt/coat. I like seeing it!

I guess you'd have to be on the fence, or against people carrying if it bothers you.

Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868614
05/10/20 11:52 AM
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It does not matter where you live or who you are including an LE if you shoot someone there is going to be an investigation. No law is going to save you from an unjustifiable shooting. Now how things turn out is up to the investigator, the prosecuting attorney and if your charged the court and jury. In the Georgia shooting them old boys better have a good attorney. No trial yet but from watching the video and reporting it does not look good for them.

Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: danvee] #6868632
05/10/20 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by danvee
It does not matter where you live or who you are including an LE if you shoot someone there is going to be an investigation. No law is going to save you from an unjustifiable shooting. Now how things turn out is up to the investigator, the prosecuting attorney and if your charged the court and jury. In the Georgia shooting them old boys better have a good attorney. No trial yet but from watching the video and reporting it does not look good for them.


The Georgia case is interesting. I would argue that it's a case against open carry or brandishing depending on point of view. If the defendant had been carrying concealed, that confrontation likely would not have resulted in a shooting.

No matter your point of view, Ahmaud was a tough SOB and took the fight to him. He closed the distance on a shotgun toting assailant (perspective) and went immediately into fight mode. I think the video clearly shows that he would have gotten control of the shotgun if he hadn't lost part of his hand during initial contact. He then proceeded to lay down a beating while taking two more shotgun blasts at contact distance. None of those rounds folded him up and I'm impressed with his never give up mental attitude. In any case, it reduces the mystique of a shotgun as an instant stop to any given attack and even more so to the fallacy of the intimidation factor of "racking a slide".

I don't believe that they'll get a murder conviction in the Georgia case. I think charging the father is an overreach and weakens the DA's chances of any conviction.

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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868643
05/10/20 12:25 PM
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Did the 2nd video not show him running out of a house under construction? Was he a innocent jogger or a fleeing burglar? The Mom said something like what he was doing was not a felony so what did she mean?


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868647
05/10/20 12:29 PM
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And here’s one you’ll really like.

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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: Law Dog] #6868656
05/10/20 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Did the 2nd video not show him running out of a house under construction? Was he a innocent jogger or a fleeing burglar? The Mom said something like what he was doing was not a felony so what did she mean?


I have not seen a second video. If someone has a link, I'd like to see it.
There were some reports of him being in a house under construction.
I don't know whether he was a jogger or a burglar. Defense for pursuit is that he was believed to have been a burglar.
If Ahmaud was committing a felony, then charges shouldn't have been filed at all.

ETA- video of the house under construction. He is seen going into and leaving the house between the 13 and 15 minute marks. In the video, he doesn't look like an innocent jogger. https://www.chicagotribune.com/nati...10-47ezvg5esrdd3lb35fxati6fpu-story.html

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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868659
05/10/20 12:48 PM
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do I wish everyone used a good holster , yes

but so long as they don't hurt anyone , no one else right was infringed

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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: Ken Mclellan] #6868664
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If the gun goes off accidentally..........turn the other cheek..
Originally Posted by Ken Mclellan
And here’s one you’ll really like.


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868678
05/10/20 01:11 PM
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I agree with Pete and would add a good stiff belt to keep that holster from dangling and flopping around.


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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868679
05/10/20 01:18 PM
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When a person has no real case they look for the exception to the case to make their weak point by using a poor example. Lol

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Re: Why Open Carry! [Re: trapper234] #6868700
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Quite simply, a permit makes anything a privilege rather than a right. If you buy or support CC permits you are actually anti 2nd Amendment a and anti gun whether you realize it or not.
If you believe the 2nd Amendment gives USA citizens the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and that it means arms to include all arms; then you must either carry open or carry concealed without a permit.
And if you can't see that, it has been said that you can't be fixed.

Open carry in any circumstance only brings the Rights into the open. It is hard to believe anything that must be hidden is a right, whether you think you are for it or against it.

I don't usually carry, but I wish enough of you who do would self-examine why you would object to anyone else exercising their Constitutional Rights in any manner they want to. Remember to ask yourself if it is a right or a privilege.

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