My thoughts line up the same.

I see this as a systemic training issue. Even worse when the bad or poorly trained are then also training the new guys.

Departments should really takr a look at thr San Diego PD. Huge city with tons of young single men with tons of cash, trained to fight. But yet we don't see these police issues down there. SDPD has ine of the highest rated departments in the US and it shows.

Law Dog: A close relative who is a 35 year LEO explained slowly to me last evening that they had called for the ambulance as soon as Floyd went down, if it had arrived in 2,3 or 4 minutes that is how long he would have been restrained. It happened that the ambulance took 9 minutes to arrive. He also explained that for the past several months all the big bad dudes who always want to fight LEOs have been trying to bite or spit in faces and that is why Floyd was restrained with his face away from the officer. He said it was obvious that the officers knew they were being filmed and that no one would have deliberately killed a perp WHILE being filmed. Due to his time in the jungle AND his lack of personal involvement, I believe him.

I’m one of the biggest supporters of LEOs you will ever find the guy was cuffed nobody is taught to kneel on a neck like that we are told to avoid it unless it’s a call for lethal force the old sleeper hold is not allowed even.

A lot of other options to hold down Floyd could of been used, if the struggle was so great then why did the Officer have his hands in his pockets?

Law Dog: You are reacting to what you believe rather than thinking about what I wrote.

Calvin I agree that if a person does the job you do odds are there will be bogus complaints filed. No doubt about it.

My question for you is are there officers in big cities that go their entire career without any complaints?




To a point.

I should say I shouldn't have singled out the MPD and used the term government unions. I can only speak from my experiences at the union company I've worked for the last 20 years but I don't personally know of anyone who got let go and got their job back because of the union. I suppose it could have happened without my knowing as we've grown so much in the last several years and I don't know the majority of the people like I used to. In your line of work politics can play a major role and officers jobs need to have protections.

I don't envy your job one bit, we've had these conversations in the past. I wouldn't have made a very good officer, I'd have used my nightstick too much. Stay safe out their brother, the mayor of Minenapolis and our fair governor have failed you guys.

Reacting to what I seen and my training it could of been done better, how you can think kneeling on a neck for that long is OK makes no sense to me. If you kneel on that artery for 8 minutes the outcome is clear.

In today's world, how could that cop not know what the outcome of this would be? It doesn't take a genius to realize that all that cell phone video is going to go viral immediately. But he just continues to do it. He had to know what kind of uproar this would create even if he hadn't have killed the guy.

Charges of misconduct are not misconducts they are charges.

Seems to me there is a lot of catering to blm and the looters going on right now. This may get really out of control very soon.

Does anyone know how many, if any of the misconduct complaints were determined to be unfounded as opposed to sustained? That's really a better measure.

Watch the video, and pay attention to how Chauvin attempted to move Floyd onto the gurny when the ambulance arrived. Chauvin's total disregard for the handling of Floyd, is very telling in my opinion.
The best thing to come out of this case is that Chauvin won't ever be a training officer again, and be taking down young recruits with him.

If I were a cop and someone spit on me, with hepatitis so common, it would be tempting to beat there teeth out with a ball peen hammer. No I dont think that should be allowed but it would be tempting.

Im trying to figure out how a knee in somebody's neck while waiting for an ambulance seemed like a good idea. if the guy started spitting I dont see how it would have been a problem to make him kiss that tire. I doubt that would be called criminal to stop a spitter.

What if the perp was saying " I got the covid while they were spitting on you ?
When at the time , covid was thought to be a death sentence .
Not trying to justify what happened , just can see how they might get a different reaction .

No matter how much George floyd fought or what he said or what he did, none of it would justify sitting on the guys neck for several minutes AFTER he was passed out.

There's still missing video, which nobody seems to have a problem with.

when was covid 19 thought to be a death sentence?

p.s. what is a perp?

perpetrator, I'm guessing.

A month ago the media had a lot of people ( some on here even ) thinking
that the simple act of going outside was putting people at risk of dying ,
are you saying people didn't think they could die from covid ?

The media had the fear of covid at a fevered pitch ,
it was before they figured out that riots cured it .