Re: Why no wolves in early 1900"s?
[Re: TurkeyTime]
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06/16/20 10:26 AM
06/16/20 10:26 AM
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Fairbanks, Alaska
Pete in Frbks
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Fairbanks, Alaska
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Wolf populations are cyclic. Historically, as now, when wolf numbers were high, they would prey heavily on the ungulates. Once ungulate populations were reduced significantly, wolves had little to eat and thus their population dropped way down. That is how that "balance of nature" thing works out!
Once the prey populations build back up, the wolf numbers follow. But the problem is that if left to the natural cycle, it takes a LONG time.
Luckily we have learned a thing or two about predator-prey population dynamics and wildlife management. Now, by cropping off reasonable numbers of wolves, we can maintain prey populations at reasonable numbers as well. We do not have to wait years and years between population cycles. Not difficult or complicated in terms of biology. VERY complicated in terms of politics!
Pete
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Re: Why no wolves in early 1900"s?
[Re: TurkeyTime]
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06/17/20 02:01 PM
06/17/20 02:01 PM
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Alaska and Washington State
waggler
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Alaska and Washington State
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I have a book that was written in 1898 as a guide book for Yukon and Alaska bound gold prospectors. It's actually a very detailed book suggesting the pros and cons of all the various routes to the gold fields as well as supply suggestions.
What I found interesting is the writer says "there is no need to take a firearm since there is no game in the county". This was written very early in the stampede, so the reason for no game was not because the prospectors had shot it all. There just was much to begin with. There is a lot of other evidence to support the lack of game during this time period.
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Re: Why no wolves in early 1900"s?
[Re: white17]
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06/18/20 09:44 AM
06/18/20 09:44 AM
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Fairbanks, Alaska
Pete in Frbks
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Fairbanks, Alaska
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I knew an old man who had grown up on the west side of the Alaska Range...fairly close to the mountains...........He was born about 1903... He said he never saw a moose until he was 14-15 There were virtually no moose on the Koyukuk until mid-last century. Seeing a moose track was cause for celebration. Federal predator control efforts allowed There were almost no moose on the North Slope when I began hunting there! There were virtually no moose on the Y-K Delta in the 80's! Crap...………….. I am old! Pete
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Re: Why no wolves in early 1900"s?
[Re: TurkeyTime]
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06/18/20 11:33 AM
06/18/20 11:33 AM
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james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
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james bay frontierOnt.
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Its interesting how things change in the bush if you get a long enough perspective time wise. From talking with oldtimers around here,in the 40's there were very few Marten and lots of fisher. When I started trapping here in the early 70's it was mostly all marten country with very few fisher. Now it is more marten but fisher are also common. Same with the moose-there were much more caribou back in the day and few moose,now it is opposite. On my own trapline,I have seen a shift from lots of fox and few lynx to lots of lynx and few fox in the span of 35 years or so. The wolves have always been present,but I have seen years switch from smaller packs to larger packs and back.
Last edited by Boco; 06/18/20 11:35 AM.
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Re: Why no wolves in early 1900"s?
[Re: TurkeyTime]
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06/18/20 12:30 PM
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MN, USA
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For a written history, two time stamp writers recorded the situation, in Jack London mentions wolves in serious numbers when the rush began. Something took place which thankfully reduced wolf numbers, as Russell Annabel mentions more problems with bears, until the wolf population exploded and was creating havoc on everything from sheep to moose. In noting that the Europeans found huge numbers of cape buffalo, but as Peter Capstick noted, the cattle they brought in, brought in a disease which wiped out the herds, the logic is something was brought into Alaska and the Yukon which the wolves caught. Huge numbers of lower 48 dogs were brought north, and that is a likely source, in the sled and pack dogs were penetrating the interior with prospectors, and they probably brought in an influx of rabies, distemper and worms.
The opposite was in the lower 48 where Teddy Roosevelt advocated with John Burroughs the extermination of wolves, lions, coyotes and bears, and leaving only populations which benefit humans. In that case, poisons were readily available to wipe out the predators, which brought back game numbers and protected livestock to feed the world. When Nixon banned poisons, that is when the real problems began, along with the gopher police transplanting predators into areas they should not be. Florida banned trapping and that created the raccoon distemper epidemic of the 80's which spread across America.
The solution to all of this, as the markets have been targeted by liberals, is a bounty system to make it profitable to deal with the situation. South Dakota astutely instituted one last year, and took out around 65,000 predators in the lower order. Kirsti Noem and her Game and Fish responded with this success, by cutting the bounty to 5 dollars, forced trappers to buy expensive licenses and then criminalized trappers, which taught a new generation of kids that you can not trust the government as it is out to screw you over.
America is different from Canada in population and open areas, so the systems can not be compared, but the United States federal and state game policies are a detriment to wildlife, livestock and are designed like Kristi Noem and all governors to keep people out of their lands.
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Re: Why no wolves in early 1900"s?
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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06/18/20 02:29 PM
06/18/20 02:29 PM
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McGrath, AK
white17

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I knew an old man who had grown up on the west side of the Alaska Range...fairly close to the mountains...........He was born about 1903... He said he never saw a moose until he was 14-15 There were virtually no moose on the Koyukuk until mid-last century. Seeing a moose track was cause for celebration. Federal predator control efforts allowed There were almost no moose on the North Slope when I began hunting there! There were virtually no moose on the Y-K Delta in the 80's! Crap...………….. I am old! Pete Are you sure they had evolved by that time ?
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