Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6904698
06/19/20 10:55 PM
06/19/20 10:55 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 71 KY
thumper3181
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 71
KY
|
Golf ball is right, if you're using short chains there isn't any benefits for having a shock spring. I run a crunch proof swivel off of the trap, 3 links of chain, another crunch proof, 3 more links of chain and finally a crunch proof that I hook to my earth anchor set up with a j-hook. I've never had a problem with foot damage or pump outs on an animal that I have caught.
Last edited by thumper3181; 06/19/20 10:55 PM.
Wfjc
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: thumper3181]
#6904954
06/20/20 10:11 AM
06/20/20 10:11 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337 The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
|
"HOSS"
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337
The Hill Country of Texas
|
Golf ball is right, if you're using short chains there isn't any benefits for having a shock spring. If you ever watch a coyote pumping a stake from above on a short chain you might consider changing you mind. I did.
As far as the strength of the shock spring- SC had some 2 stage springs that I like to run here in Texas where the target is coyotes and bobcats but there will be at least some fox that manage to get caught no matter how high I seem to run up the pan tension. The springs are light and I have no idea how many years they will last but they wont live as long as a Conners Tbar I am sure
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6904993
06/20/20 10:45 AM
06/20/20 10:45 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842 Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842
Wisconsin
|
I always figured when I coyote pumped a stake It was do to the box swivel or washer falling down on the stake and getting another bite.I don't see how a shock spring would stop that action.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6905140
06/20/20 01:13 PM
06/20/20 01:13 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337 The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
|
"HOSS"
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337
The Hill Country of Texas
|
I watched a big male jump up in the air and do back flips one morning b4 it got light. I seldom ran traps before dawn but I had a long trip out and back to make.
He was held by a 650C with a Conner spring or I am convinced something would have given. I am not saying you have to use springs, simply that I do and will.
Tightlywound1 came down one weekend and we found a trap on the opposite side of the road with a little bit on bobcat fur in it. Instead of hitting the brush near him, he spooked across the open and when the drag hooked up there was nothing left to give except the jaw to paw intersection. I still wish I had used a spring on that rig and I do nowadays. I had watched a big double spotted tom in binos a week or two b4 and I never did harvest him. I am convinced I blew my chance by not setting up my drag the best way I could.
To all the water trappers who think I am speaking a foreign language sorry LOL
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6905239
06/20/20 03:25 PM
06/20/20 03:25 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842 Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842
Wisconsin
|
I don't think a coon or a fox Is going to compress that shock spring.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6905305
06/20/20 04:55 PM
06/20/20 04:55 PM
|
Mark June
Unregistered
|
Mark June
Unregistered
|
Leftlane, You need to join us here in the 21st century and get yourself the good stakes = MTP chain stakes. I cut 5 links off the shorter 16" and roll baby roll. A D5 couldn't get them outta most of your TX dirt.
Folks are inputting, and I agree, no need for a shock spring on a short chain rig. I haven't used a shock spring since 1984ish. Ever since I went to earth anchor style devices as staking systems.
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6905809
06/21/20 04:08 AM
06/21/20 04:08 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 71 KY
thumper3181
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 71
KY
|
Art if you haven't tried the finned super stakes they would probably make your life a whole lot easier in your neck of the woods. I trap everything from fields, swampy areas and rocky hill country here in Eastern KY and I run the same stake setup for all of it. The retrieval cable on those make pulling traps so much easier.
Wfjc
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6905903
06/21/20 08:12 AM
06/21/20 08:12 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,497 PA
PAskinner
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4,497
PA
|
I use those super cheap shock springs, like the Old Northwoods had on the 1.75. I'm not concerned about Coyotes, I just feel they are easier on fox and such by preventing a hard jerk when they hit the end of the chain. If one gets stretched out it's no big deal.
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6905986
06/21/20 10:29 AM
06/21/20 10:29 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337 The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
|
"HOSS"
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337
The Hill Country of Texas
|
Mark, Beav, and all the rest of you who can see no value in a shock spring, I think yall are braver than I am. I hope to never be so bold as to say JC Conner has it wrong.
Just sayin...
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6906026
06/21/20 11:26 AM
06/21/20 11:26 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842 Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842
Wisconsin
|
So a shock spring Is used basically for animal comfort? Aren't we killing the critters we catch. And when It comes to domestics they don't fight a trap like a wild critter does. And when we use drags and the critter runs off and tangles up doesn't that entanglement act as a shock spring. Then of coarse If they really get tangled up the shock spring Is going to be a mote point anyway. So I may be wrong but when the critter makes that first lunge when caught the shock spring compresses right. But as It compresses that critter Is still on the move and then the shock spring Is bottomed out and Isn't doing any thing at that point. So I guess I'll go out on a limb and say I see them as a gimmick. I'm not saying you shouldn't use them but I don't see the need. But If It trips you trigger go for It It can't hurt anything.
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: The Beav]
#6906077
06/21/20 12:16 PM
06/21/20 12:16 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,165 Central NC
traprjohn
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,165
Central NC
|
So a shock spring Is used basically for animal comfort?
Nope, not my opinion, it is basic physics. That little bit of give prevents pull outs. We must run them on any chain over 8 inches long, by law. So I must run them on all my drags with the 6 foot chain. At times we are not killing the animals, like a yearling bobcat or a neighbors dog, that gets released.
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: Artrapper16]
#6906178
06/21/20 02:51 PM
06/21/20 02:51 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842 Wisconsin
The Beav
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 23,842
Wisconsin
|
So if you put a shock spring in a vise and give It a good jerk and it doesn't bottom out. Then you better man up. LOL
The forum Know It All according to Muskrat
|
|
|
Re: Why super strong shock springs
[Re: traprjohn]
#6906247
06/21/20 04:00 PM
06/21/20 04:00 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337 The Hill Country of Texas
Leftlane
"HOSS"
|
"HOSS"
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 20,337
The Hill Country of Texas
|
So a shock spring Is used basically for animal comfort?
Nope, not my opinion, it is basic physics. That little bit of give prevents pull outs. We must run them on any chain over 8 inches long, by law. So I must run them on all my drags with the 6 foot chain. At times we are not killing the animals, like a yearling bobcat or a neighbors dog, that gets released. Other than a law telling me to or not to, I agree TraprJohn
“What’s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.” Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
|
|
|
|
|