Not when u use the spring to bed a jaw on. And a swivel to bed the other jaw on. It’s all about how u set up your chain

True

As I said ill be running these on drags i have enough trouble bedding traps without something else in the bed.

Have you all seen the "Sprivel" from Harris Traps of Conrad,MT?.It is a compact,spring,swivel,all in one.You can have one,two or three springs.Each spring=42 #,so it is adjustible from 42# to 84# to 126#.Pretty ingenius,, think.I have no idea on price but it can be made to work from fox to coyotes,plus, a swivel.There is a video,online.

I think everyone must be forgetting those springs were pretty much all developed back when most guys ran long chains . When talking with Ed he explained in great detail all the hours of study that went into the development of these springs . He said they had lots of video footage of coyotes in particular stepping on a trap and the reaction time they had versus the amount of time it took for the trap to completely lock up . My details could be a little off but if I remember right he said on a 22” or shorter chain the shock spring was proven to help with pull outs from marginal catches.

Hopefully this will help with your decision making , I personally don’t think you will see a benefit if using drags or short chains with earth anchors. I don’t like busting brands but the worst brand out there will hold a coyote, or a D5 as Mark said .

That's a fact!


These things make one heck of a catch circle.

Lol, that’s awesome ! Two coiled or four ? I’ve always felt a good degree of satisfaction after catching an aggressive digger , lol !

If the trap was four coiled AND a shock spring it would have held.....lol

I run 16-18 inches of chain with ample swivels to 16 inch chained super stakes without shocks on MB 450,550,650 and KO Juniors all offset. With the exception the 450s, all 4 coiled. Why is it I have zero pullouts, and very little shoulder or paw damage?

Well,you didn't say what your annual predator catch is,in other words,no.of animals caught to zero pullouts,and everybody seems to have a different idea as to what damage is.I've seen examples of what some guys claim is "no damage at all",or"can't even tell what foot they're caught by".I wouldn't have made those claims.

If you go to JC Conners website he has a tip page that has information on why the shock springs are valuable.
Think toe catches....

I believe a whole emphasis is put on one thing ,,when really it's the whole set up imo weakest link is going to be tested.
A trap with bad lock up,sharp jaws got, weak springs etc.have way more efficient on whether a critter does well or is still there.
I'm on a extend check I do not have these problems.
Out of 114 coyotes no pull outs on longer chains ,,,no mountains of dirt to move,,, remakes fairly easy.
Imo on a short chain all they want to do is fight and can not get comfortable get out of the mud puddle.
In last 20 years maybe had 4 or 5 pullouts on give or take same numbers as above.
Nothing wrong with shock spring but surely not anyone's savior or should not be required in any shape or form.
Red

Normally I don't share numbers but I'll make an exception. I average over 100 combined yotes and red fox per season. 75% are yotes. Over 1,000 yotes in my life so far. I know that's not as many as some but its a good example. All staked with long chains for the past 5 seasons. Its got to do more with the total package that starts with the design of the trap itself. The balance of Power to jaw thickness is key to paw comfort. All I need is 2 toes in it, but my target is a solid paw hold. Had 6 toe holds this past season, all got skinned. I use to be a short chain guy until I spoke with trappers with extended checks and listened to the yotes. Now all my Predator traps have 18 inches to the stake. Plus I hold more dry coon. My remake catches went up too.. Helps a bunch in deep snow and loose dirt with the mounding around the stake that can bind the swivels up.
If I was doing live market I might change but the little damage I see is more from the lack of jaw thickness and self inflicted. In a yotes mind it gives them more freedom and more stuff to chew on besides the trap and chain most are rolled up fast asleep, some even hollow out a bed. The ground itself absorbs a bunch of shock also.
At 27 dollars a dozen I just can't justify the added expense.


Everyone's situation is different, If I trapped in more open country and big permissions I'd prolly run drags, but here with my luck the yote would tangle in someone's back yard LOL.

Wrong species Tejas, wrong digger LOL

Left lane I agree when you have to wake them up or there hiding from you as many times . It just proves to me something that works.
Those bughers if they feel like they can hide they settle right in ..
I tell ya lefty what concerns me some knothead will convince someone that shockspring ought be mandatory and boy howdy we got it.
I will say I see a benefit using shock spring on sub par smaller traps it would help if you got to use them imo.
Mb550 is a great trap because its lock up and how its built.
Look at a victor 3 similar ????

I believe JC had a lighter shock spring out one time...now it is the standard, heavy duty model and the wolf spring

since he's selling shock springs I'm assuming Is tip sheet Is a bit biased.

I bet if Mr. Duke started selling them and sent you a couple dozen for free they would be the only way to go !