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Grab Stick Lure #6921500
07/06/20 10:53 AM
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I would like to make a simple grab stick lure, and am looking for guidance. Yes I use a couple commercial lures that work good, but just want to make one. I assume it would be a food lure that tastes good to the coyote? I have some beaver castor, sac oil, and am making some tail oil if any of these are good ingredients? I'm sure someone on here has made a good lure, if you want to share some information it would be appreciated.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6921593
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I’m also going to try something similar this year. My first year using beaver tail oil. My dogs will just about lick a groove through the concrete floor in the garage when I spill a few drops while I’m drawing it off. Was thinking a liquid lure/bait with BTO, liquid castor and some asafoetida.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6921867
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I am not a big time lure maker, but I use a lot of grub stakes/grab and dies/T-bones etc. when I am trapping. Research all you can about how the government trappers used the old coyote getters and M-44s to kill coyotes. The reaction to the lures they used are exactly what you want to try and replicate - a bite and pull response. If that coyote or fox has your grab and die stick in its mouth and is pulling on it, its feet are pushing down - hopefully right on top of your trap pan. So the answer to one question is yes - you want something they like the taste of and they want to take with them.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6922021
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It takes time to age but save you beaver fat, let it rot to past the rank stage. I don't add castor just assaf. Muskrat fat works well too. Do some with sweet skunk from Grawe for late work. Grind it before you age it, I learned that the hard way LOL.. It has to taste good to them... good enough to die for..

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Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6922087
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I butchered a few hogs a month ago and rendered some lard down, I bet that would be a good ingredient. Not sure about the consistency in cold weather, or if it would let the scent out. Thanks for the replies and keep them coming! I find myself using more grab and die sticks each year.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6925198
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I’ve also butchered a couple hogs and was going to try the lard as a lure base.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: KJD357] #6925207
07/09/20 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KJD357
I’ve also butchered a couple hogs and was going to try the lard as a lure base.

The brains would be a more beneficial choice

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: Yes sir] #6925269
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
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I’ve also butchered a couple hogs and was going to try the lard as a lure base.

The brains would be a more beneficial choice


I’ll have to try saving some from the next time we butcher. Have you seen any difference in the animal type they come from? Or is a brain a brain. And then do you age them till mellow, boil them down, or just use fresh?

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6925566
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I haven't done a lot of testing but ive used deer, pig and coyote and couldn't tell any difference and my dog loved all of them. Personally its probably my favorite base both in texture, how it mixes with other ingredients and most importantly attractiveness. Most of it i just aged 10 days and preserved but one base im working on i mixed it 50/50 with coyote meat and its been aging all summer long. Brain is very weather resistant also. My understanding is its mostly cholesterol but it is very easily digestible unlike animal fats.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6925750
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I’ve not tested like Yes Sir has but what I have tested , I will not use oil sacs unless it’s in a deep hole . Same with castor if it’s more than you can get under your fingernail . BTO seems to be palatable and mixed with small amounts of honey and vanilla makes it more attractive. This year I will be mixing some with anise oil for coon and another batch with bacon grease for coyotes .

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6925846
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Ive read sugar will increase the bite and pull response with coyotes.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6927016
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All my grab and die sticks have been sections of bamboo so what I used doesn't have to be sticky.



I have had good luck when using tainted oil sacs. I strip them empty and then let them lay out for a few days till they get a slight taint.
I tossed out a damaged beaver castor and the neighbors dog grabbed It, It took him about 10 minutes of running its mouth through the grass to get rid of the taste.
Any Ideas on what I should do with 2 gallons of ten year old rat scrapings? It's been sealed In glass jars for about 10 years . I opened one the other day and It still smells just fine and It hasn't turned to a liquid In fact It smells and has the same consistency that It did when I put It In there. And I never added anything to It.


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Beav my little dog is attracted to the tainted oil sacs but once he gets a taste of it he starts yakking and then dry heaving . Andy Wieser said his dog did the same thing . As attractive as the smell seems to be I don’t want them to gat a taste of it . The first year I used it was in a small shallow hole in a compass set , of the four smells this was always the one dug up . The problem was as soon as they got it out of this shallow hole they quit working the set, probably too busy gaging to investigate the other smells .

I would be testing that rat grease on the neighborhood pooches to see if they want to eat it or roll in it . Or you could send me a pint and I will test it for you , lol .

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When I used the tainted oil sacs they were In deep holes so for the most part I was catching the critter before It got a taste. And I even fill In a lot of dirt holes with a some grass and then sift some dirt over that grass. They can still smell what's In the hole but can't see It or get It.
I'll do some dog testing on my rat fat.


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Exposed the sacs can get rolling, rubbing and urinating responses. Small amounts they will bite at it in another media base material.

Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6929164
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I have had decent luck with bacon grease, honey and
with a little bit of castor.


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Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6930544
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I rendered down a couple pints of beaver fat this past season. Would it make a good base to start with? Maybe a little BTO, rendered beaver fat and anise oil?
I also have some tainted and fresh preserved oil saq's as well.

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Re: Grab Stick Lure [Re: mully] #6930589
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There should be a bit of oil in it , doesn't hurt to add more tho. Fix it with SB. Sac doesn't taste good. All I add is some Asaf tincture to half and some sweet skunk for late season to the other half. Honey would be good too

I had a conversation with a well known lure maker several years ago about adding glands, castor and such to bait and food lures. " Ya ever taste that stuff, ya want them to eat it" I've always felt it's better that it tastes good so they'll crave it..

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