Both with identical cast rings and never been messed with....

those are super nice, Ive not yet seen the original cold shut and 4 prong drag.

Looking back, I am sorry I didn't take the time to study these a bit more and get more pictures.The general consensus is the flat 4 prong drags had a wire ring. I was so impressed to finally see examples of the solid rings, that I didn't even pay attention to the model of 4 1/2 they belonged to.
..................................MY BAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dale,
At least one of them was an Oneida Community, N.Y. pan.

Here is a New old stock 4 prong from the Woodstream collection. There was no documentation with the drag, so who knows what the story is. By far, the wire ring is the norm but the cast ring does exist and appears to be legitimate. Although, there are reproduction drags that have the solid ring and are not correct.

Thanks for the input Dean.... Much appreciated
I was leaning towards it being on an early OC too. One was just a complete chain set up, the other was on the trap... Maybe the owner or someone that paid attention will chime in..

Those two 4 prong drags with cast rings are mine and I have one more, they are all on the kenwood model 4 1/2 s.

Thanks for clarifying that Dave. For some reason I had to run and by the time I got back everything was getting put away before the rain. You had some pretty great stuff there and I was glad to see it....

Was nice to see you to,we got there late and not enough time to sit and chat,will make time next time.

id really like one one in my collection if anyone is parting with one

I’ll confess I usually hesitate when I see those cast rings but that’s the best evidence I’ve seen so far - thanks for posting the pics.