What has become of conservation?
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Hey guys. What has become of conservation and wildlife management? A lot of my outdoor classes are left leaning, and conservation seems to be more anti hunting, trapping, logging, etc. We as trappers and hunters know that the outdoors need to be managed. People are being taught that the key to healthy ecosystems is to do absolutely nothing. Conservation used to be defined by managing the outdoors, and now it seems to be by leaving the outdoors alone. If it was up to a lot of the so called experts, there would be no hunting, fishing, trapping, logging, etc. I see a lot of important people in our dnr and other outdoor related programs that seem to have no clue what the real outdoors are like. I know that a lot of it is due to liberals, but how long has this been going on? How did we get from where we were, to where we are now?
Ave don't go where the beaver don't flow
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Re: What has become of conservation?
[Re: Ave]
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08/26/20 02:38 PM
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Back in the 60's and 70's a lot of the public school teachers used to hunt, fish and a few even trapped. I remember talking hunting with quite a few teachers and even had a high school teacher come out to my pick up truck to handle my Wingmaster shotgun. Today we would both be going to jail! Indoctrination from the left leaning media and our public schools could be an answer to your question. Not 100% though as there are other factors too.
Chris
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Re: What has become of conservation?
[Re: Hodagtrapper]
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08/26/20 04:43 PM
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Back in the 60's and 70's a lot of the public school teachers used to hunt, fish and a few even trapped. I remember talking hunting with quite a few teachers and even had a high school teacher come out to my pick up truck to handle my Wingmaster shotgun. Today we would both be going to jail! Indoctrination from the left leaning media and our public schools could be an answer to your question. Not 100% though as there are other factors too.
Chris x2
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Re: What has become of conservation?
[Re: Ave]
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Some might call me over-religious, but I believe every failing in society can be traced to the abandonment of faith. The direction of the world, society, families etc comes down to humanism vs deism (and the different deisms, but that's another topic.) Everyone worships something. Those who claim to worship nothing end up worshiping either themselves, humanity, a worldly higher power such as government, or something they deify like nature. Nature worshippers in the West are no different than the ones in Africa, they just use fancier words. Its simple animism.
The Bible says humans were created to rule, steward and dominate the earth (have dominion). To a Biblical mind, even though nature may look big and powerful and awe-inspiring, we know what we have both a right and a mandate to rule it. When an atheist rejects the word of God, they also reject the divine authority given to men by God. Funny how humanism ends up making humans out to be weaker instead of greater. When you don't believe in divine rights or authority, you simply make everything out to be greater if it appears greater. Atheists typically believe men should serve nature, the government and society because those things appear greater. It was specifically because of their faith that our founding fathers and great conservationists believed the opposite: that we have a divine right to rule ourselves, our government, society and nature.
So that explains the theological roots. Now in the political realm, it's all part of the nefarious tactic of undermining human confidence, identity and rights. Telling people to feel guilty for disturbing nature is no different than telling them to feel guilty for being white, or having money. If you can make people feel guilty and undermine their identity, you can tell them what to do and lead them like sheep. That's just a part of the political strategy of earth worship. The other part is reducing self-reliance and economic independence.
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Re: What has become of conservation?
[Re: Ave]
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The liberals have taken over higher education in most cases. Guess where most of the anti's were educated and by who. The biologist and such were taught left leaning thought processes. A lot of today's youth have no experience with nature or the outdoors except Disney and the media mostly Social media. When they grow up and seek employment in conservation that's what you get. We are pretty lucky in Mississippi as our commission is appointed and and sportsmen and women still have a strong voice here.
"Skin that smokewagon and see what happens"
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Re: What has become of conservation?
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Some might call me over-religious, but I believe every failing in society can be traced to the abandonment of faith. The direction of the world, society, families etc comes down to humanism vs deism (and the different deisms, but that's another topic.) Everyone worships something. Those who claim to worship nothing end up worshiping either themselves, humanity, a worldly higher power such as government, or something they deify like nature. Nature worshippers in the West are no different than the ones in Africa, they just use fancier words. Its simple animism.
The Bible says humans were created to rule, steward and dominate the earth (have dominion). To a Biblical mind, even though nature may look big and powerful and awe-inspiring, we know what we have both a right and a mandate to rule it. When an atheist rejects the word of God, they also reject the divine authority given to men by God. Funny how humanism ends up making humans out to be weaker instead of greater. When you don't believe in divine rights or authority, you simply make everything out to be greater if it appears greater. Atheists typically believe men should serve nature, the government and society because those things appear greater. It was specifically because of their faith that our founding fathers and great conservationists believed the opposite: that we have a divine right to rule ourselves, our government, society and nature.
So that explains the theological roots. Now in the political realm, it's all part of the nefarious tactic of undermining human confidence, identity and rights. Telling people to feel guilty for disturbing nature is no different than telling them to feel guilty for being white, or having money. If you can make people feel guilty and undermine their identity, you can tell them what to do and lead them like sheep. That's just a part of the political strategy of earth worship. The other part is reducing self-reliance and economic independence. ^^^^ This is it exactly. While we can say the left has fully infiltrated western culture and classical education it is at it's roots an ancient battle from the beginning of time when the lie "ye shall be like gods" was first uttered.
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Re: What has become of conservation?
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Y’all must have different state biologists than I do. Most of the ones in my state that deal with Fish & Wildlife hunt and fish, some even trap. I’m good friends with a few and they seem to be decent.
I hope y’all get some better people.
#huntersareconservationists
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Re: What has become of conservation?
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In Ohio, you cant confuse the ODNR with the Division of Wildlife. Wildlife is basically a red headed stepchild to ODNR. Two different cultures. Oh ok, makes sense. It’s the same here with different cultures between most of DNREC and F&W We have the DNREC= department of natural resources and environmental control. Fish & Wildlife is a section within that department.
Who is John Galt?
You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.
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Re: What has become of conservation?
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In Ohio, you cant confuse the ODNR with the Division of Wildlife. Wildlife is basically a red headed stepchild to ODNR. Two different cultures. Oh ok, makes sense. It’s the same here with different cultures between most of DNREC and F&W We have the DNREC= department of natural resources and environmental control. Fish & Wildlife is a section within that department. Same thing here, Division of Wildlife is part of ODNR. But its semi-independent agency as its finances comes from the sportsman and PR funds. Most of the DoW employees have some background in hunting/fishing.
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Re: What has become of conservation?
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Ave, The term CONSERVATION has been High-jacked by a lot hugger groups and substituted for the word PRESERVATION. I've talked to every one who is associated with this in the "teaching" media that I can ( Bob Noonan, Jim Spencer, Local paper, school groups etc etc. ) and tell them we as a group are not on the right page when one of these hugger groups uses that word in their "preservationist presentations". When testifying in front of a committee and its our turn I recommend people use the definition of "Wise Use" for the term Conservation even if you have to back-up and refute the other side's Name. Get the same page up. When you can get that across to the decision makers, the public, (or the news paper-TV folks) you have a good basis for the terms Sustainability, Management, Monetary Value etc. etc.. Usually your opponent will balk and not acknowledge the big difference. There are 3 facets of Wildlife Interaction with humans that society must deal with... The Biological side, the Economical side, and the Emotional side (anyone at the Minn Trappers Convention in '84 heard me harp on this when I gave my speal way back then). The groups on TV, news paper, and radio that are protectionist based only want folks to believe in the Emotional side and (again) High-jacked the term Conservation due to it sounding more applicable to their agenda in today's society. Part of it falls on us, the consumptive users of a resource, not to demand the definition of the word whenever we square off in a conversation is showing our weakness. My thoughts are always examining the definitions that our side can bring to the table for an equitable discussion and then let the facts come out.............................. off my horse........................ the mike.
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