Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
[Re: bowhunter27295]
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08/31/20 12:37 PM
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white17
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Is the DOD involved in WHAT research ? Not sure what you are asking. BUT...............I can see where the DOD would have a tremendous interest in having a usable vaccine. It would impact national security due to readiness.
I think the "rush" is because most of us want to get the economy open again and that isn't likely to happen without a vaccine. IMO it is a mistake to say "we will have herd immunity by that time". With this particular virus there is no data that suggest herd immunity is even possible or how long it may last if it is possible.
I don't know who you mean by the parties involved "that don't pass the smell test." Please don't tell me Bill Gates without some actual evidence.
I wasn't casting aspersions. I said she is attractive. I was implying that she may be using those things in order to lend some credibility....exactly as you mention. Let's find out what her motivation is.
Why is the DOD not interested in a more effective flu vaccine? Covid is not the boogey man the media is telling us it is. Covid is now political, not medical. Again I reference SARS and MERS which are both COV viruses.. If the rush is so important, what would you consider an efficacy rate that would help us curb this "pandemic"? Last evidence of the flu vaccine's efficacy was 29%. There isn't a good track record out there on virus immunizations and their efficacy. Were the other parties involved in immunizations for the other COV viruses? An honest observation. If we go as simple as possible, perhaps it is a personal interest due to age in regards to Gates. Objectivity requires.......objectivity. Again, you know this to be true. Corona is now political. It is just as dangerous for politics to be involved in virus immunizations as it is to be involved in wildlife management. Politics has no place in science. Is there politics involved ? sure . But I don't know whether " covid is not the boogey man the media is telling us it is. " I'm not a virologist and neither is anyone on the forum as far as I know. The decision on the efficacy of any drug isn't up to me. The FDA has already said they won't approve a drug with less than 50 % efficacy. I can't follow whatever it is you are trying to say about Gates. Are you saying he is giving away hundreds of millions of dollars because he is old ???? What about the millions he gave away years ago when he was young ? He certainly isn't making any money off of this. I don't know who else you are talking about so I can't address that.
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 12:40 PM
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This would never pertain to me because I don't plan to get any vaccine if it ever becomes available.
Most in this country have things people in other countries only dream about. Yet, they want America to be more like those other countries.
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 12:42 PM
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Discernment comes in mighty handy about now....Truth is we aren't as smart as those that are running the world show, but what people say and do give their desires away.
The ones running the world show are very much in the shadow of a supreme and all knowing God.
People, even the smartest people in fact, really aren't that smart in comparison.
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 01:15 PM
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Is philanthropy somehow suspect if the funding is used for research ? You do know that the Gates Foundations funds many different research projects into disease and public health world wide ? That foundation of course is funded by Bill Gates. He has also committed to giving his entire fortune to charitable organizations . Is that somehow suspect ? As far as Gates involvement with SARS or MERS, you might want to read this https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...illion-effort-takes-aim-mers-lassa-nipah
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 01:25 PM
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Is philanthropy somehow suspect if the funding is used for research ? You do know that the Gates Foundations funds many different research projects into disease and public health world wide ? That foundation of course is funded by Bill Gates. He has also committed to giving his entire fortune to charitable organizations . Is that somehow suspect ? As far as Gates involvement with SARS or MERS, you might want to read this https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...illion-effort-takes-aim-mers-lassa-nipahIt is no more suspect than a woman suggesting what is being developed by another company. What do you mean when you say "another company" ?? Bill Gates doesn't have a company with drugs in clinical trials............. if that is what you are saying. And if she wanted to raise serious questions, why does she need to lie about it. If her concerns are valid....and some might be...........then present them truthfully
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
[Re: white17]
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08/31/20 01:44 PM
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Mark June
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I agree Mark. So why lie about it ? That is what raises questions for me Why is your doctrine someone's lie white17? Perhaps that is her perspective. You have one. She has one. I have one. Everyone has one. So be it. I know one thing for ceratin; There hasn't been open discussion on Covid-19 since it arrived around the world. It's cloaked in generalization and quackery (masks/6 ft rule) according to any valid virology protocol. I'm not a conspiracy guy. I'm of the opinion that people's opinions ought to be allowed to be heard. But = Some are being allowed to speak openly and OFTEN (every day) while others, like this physician, and MANY others, with an unorthodox position according to ?? are not only being mocked, but are being told to stand aside. Fact: Doctors and medical personnel are in an industry (I was part of it for 3 decades, from corporate on down) that argues each and every day... about darn near everything. It's called debate, or opinion, or medical procedure. That's what has historically shaped the art of medicine since Hypocrites. Now, some views are stifled or poofed from public media quickly and that is a flag on the football field coach. No doubt about it. I can't verify the truth of the doctor in this video, but more than anything, I bet she's rankled (along with her colleagues) about having very little ability to speak her peace. If she's wrong, so be it. Let her speak. If she's correct on some or all, let her speak. But don't assume your doctrine is everyone's doctrine of truth sir. Debate is richer that way. Blessings, Mark
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 01:59 PM
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What do you mean when you say "another company" ??
Bill Gates doesn't have a company with drugs in clinical trials............. if that is what you are saying.
And if she wanted to raise serious questions, why does she need to lie about it. If her concerns are valid....and some might be...........then present them truthfully
The company she is saying is looking at micro needling. Go to 5:40 and start there paying attention to her exact words. She isn't creating micro needling. Another company is. Check her "lies" and be sure they aren't things she states are being researched. Yes I know she isn't creating micro needles. I didn't mean to imply that....if I did. She is outright lying about how moderna's vaccine is delivered. She says it is delivered via a band-aid. using micro needles. It is not. It is injected with a standard syringe into the patient's shoulder. Yes.......as I said there is research being done to create micro-needles. To date that research has not been successful
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 02:29 PM
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Yes I know she isn't creating micro needles. I didn't mean to imply that....if I did. She is outright lying about how moderna's vaccine is delivered. She says it is delivered via a band-aid. using micro needles. It is not. It is injected with a standard syringe into the patient's shoulder.
Yes.......as I said there is research being done to create micro-needles. To date that research has not been successful
She does not say it is delivered that way. She suggests it could be via research being conducted by MIT. Two very different things when considering the integrity of a person's statement. At 5:41 in the video she says ........" let me explain how they would administer the vaccine" Her words. Not my interpretation
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 04:12 PM
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My thought is she is more versed and current in this subject than you or I combined.
If they can make needles small enough to pierce the nucleus of a cell, one would think they could make one small enough to go on a band aid and pierce skin.
All I know is we will find out shortly. May your tribe increase bowhunter27295
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Re: Human 2.0 - A Wake Up Call To The World
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08/31/20 04:35 PM
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My thought is she is more versed and current in this subject than you or I combined.
If they can make needles small enough to pierce the nucleus of a cell, one would think they could make one small enough to go on a band aid and pierce skin.
All I know is we will find out shortly. I don't think anything that small has been developed. Some cells have no nucleus. Red blood cells for example. I also doubt "we will find out shortly" Maybe. But I suspect we will see 40 dollar coon before we see a CV19 vaccine delivered by microneedle patches. I hope I am wrong
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