Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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so if the buyer is not paying commission, CITES, shipping or any other fees, why is the customer paying $557 for a $500 cat? The buyer can get a $557 cat through this method for what a $500 cat through the auction example would ultimately cost. The same $557 total cost to buyer. At the auction the buyer is maxed out at $500 hammer price to meet the $557 total after commissions.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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I just don't understand the process that GFW is presenting here?Their presentation and answers to questions seem really vague to me.Maybe wissmiss could explain this process/proposal GFW is presenting?
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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I just don't understand the process that GFW is presenting here?Their presentation and answers to questions seem really vague to me.Maybe wissmiss could explain this process/proposal GFW is presenting? It looks like once you turn over said cat it's no longer yours, like any auction other than state run auction,( nafa ,fha ) it's gone. As I read it. They have it till it sells and then you give up the right to say yes or no. Imo how I read it. imo
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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Just try it out with a few cats instead of trying to find fault right off the bat,then make up your mind.You can split them up-send some to fha and some to gfw,then make up your mind based on experience not what if's. I'd give it a shot if he was doing that with sable or lynx. Like Trump said what have you got to lose at this point.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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I think Boco has the right idea. Give it a shot with a few and see what happens.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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Does GFW bundle cats or sell them individually. If individual a buyer might lose bids and end up with mismatched skins not suitable for something large like a coat. I am just curious. Of course GFW knows their business.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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I second Boco's take on it.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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I would assume Groenewald (and most other international dealers) sell in matched bundles. The size of the bundle depending on the intended purpose. Fewer pelts for a vest, more pelts for a full length coat.
I haven’t studied Groenewald ‘s plan thoroughly, so I don’t know exactly what he is proposing but given the current state of fur prices, having another option for selling pelts can’t hurt. In fact, for trappers with better quality western bobcats, it might be a good idea.
We won’t know for quite some time, maybe even a year, how this is going to work, so we will just have to wait. I’m sure multiple trappers will participate in his plan.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: Boco]
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Just try it out with a few cats instead of trying to find fault right off the bat,then make up your mind.You can split them up-send some to fha and some to gfw,then make up your mind based on experience not what if's. I'd give it a shot if he was doing that with sable or lynx. Like Trump said what have you got to lose at this point. X2 I tried out their mail in system a few years ago...I was pleasantly surprised on how well it went.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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I X2 I tried out their mail in system a few years ago...I was pleasantly surprised on how well it went.
Before GFW came to New York I read the horror stories on here. My experience has been 180* from that. I've sold to them at their truck and even shipped pallets of fur to them. Never had an issue.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: wissmiss]
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I would assume Groenewald (and most other international dealers) sell in matched bundles. The size of the bundle depending on the intended purpose. Fewer pelts for a vest, more pelts for a full length coat.
I haven’t studied Groenewald ‘s plan thoroughly, so I don’t know exactly what he is proposing but given the current state of fur prices, having another option for selling pelts can’t hurt. In fact, for trappers with better quality western bobcats, it might be a good idea.
We won’t know for quite some time, maybe even a year, how this is going to work, so we will just have to wait. I’m sure multiple trappers will participate in his plan. If fur dealer A sells fur cheaper to end users, then fur dealer B will have to meet the new lower prices. Seller A just set the market price. Trapper loses.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: Boco]
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Just try it out with a few cats instead of trying to find fault right off the bat,then make up your mind.You can split them up-send some to fha and some to gfw,then make up your mind based on experience not what if's. I'd give it a shot if he was doing that with sable or lynx. Like Trump said what have you got to lose at this point. The Canadian buyers for them bought all the lynx and marten presented to them on their pick-up routes. Actually their prices were better than FHA final prices. But in this market who knows what happens tomorrow.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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There are no final prices at FHA for lynx or marten. Most not sold yet.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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I X2 I tried out their mail in system a few years ago...I was pleasantly surprised on how well it went.
Before GFW came to New York I read the horror stories on here. My experience has been 180* from that. I've sold to them at their truck and even shipped pallets of fur to them. Never had an issue. I too have had nothing but positive experiences with Groeny. Granted it was with beaver, coon, and muskrat rather than high-end western bobcat but you get the picture. I will have no issues dealing with Groeny this upcoming season. GROENY ROCKS!!!!! walleyed
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: Mercer Lawing]
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Will the pelts be presented raw or tanned to the buyers?
ML That is an interesting question. Hopefully we will get an answer.
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