Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: Dirt]
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09/25/20 01:10 PM
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I would assume Groenewald (and most other international dealers) sell in matched bundles. The size of the bundle depending on the intended purpose. Fewer pelts for a vest, more pelts for a full length coat.
I haven’t studied Groenewald ‘s plan thoroughly, so I don’t know exactly what he is proposing but given the current state of fur prices, having another option for selling pelts can’t hurt. In fact, for trappers with better quality western bobcats, it might be a good idea.
We won’t know for quite some time, maybe even a year, how this is going to work, so we will just have to wait. I’m sure multiple trappers will participate in his plan. If fur dealer A sells fur cheaper to end users, then fur dealer B will have to meet the new lower prices. Seller A just set the market price. Trapper loses. Dirt, That works both ways, If fur dealer "A" pays more money for a particular pelt than fur dealer "B", the trapper wins! The total guarantee and complete protection from "getting less" that you're looking for is just not a realistic expectation, from any market for any type of traded goods. You appear to have a pretty negative outlook and I can understand it from the current state of the fur market. But, that's life's up's and down's. Just don't trap when it's not worth the expense.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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09/25/20 02:10 PM
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How can you pay to dress the skins,and still pay the trapper what they sold for,minus your $25 presumably?You must be able to get them dressed very cheaply if $25 dollars covers the cost of dressing and your overhead and leave a profit? Or am I missing something.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 02:14 PM
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what happens if something happens in tanning process and damages the pelt.....trappers pays for it by down graded pelt?? should slip marks or sewing show in finished pelts the pelt is down graded? what happens if the dresser damages pelt during tanning process? can the trapper set a minimum price? one the cat tanned its useless to to get back and then try to sell on state sales?
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
[Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD]
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09/25/20 02:30 PM
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thank you, but you will not be paying for raw pelts now? ( or the buyers of them?) now you will be grading them and buying them after tanning process correct? basically acting as an agent, like the auction houses?
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 02:47 PM
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thank you but you not be paying for raw pelts now ( buyers of them?) now you will be grading them and buying them after tanning process correct? basically acting as an agent, like the auction houses? The skins will be put in lots and sold after dressing. We have found this to be the best method for selling bobcats. If a customer receives an order the skins are right there available for them ready to manufacture.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 02:49 PM
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thank you, but you will not be paying for raw pelts now? ( or the buyers of them?) now you will be grading them and buying them after tanning process correct? basically acting as an agent, like the auction houses? Yes kind of like an agent. Providing a better service at a much cheaper cost than an auction house which will in the end benefit the trapper.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 02:52 PM
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will you be running a route to pick up western cats? shipping 100 or bundle of cats adds up? not trying to be negative and I applaud your efforts for the fur trade!
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 03:01 PM
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Its an interesting concept. People will have to try your service and then decide whether its better than a raw fur auction or not. Times change and we have to adapt to keep the industry viable.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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will you be running a route to pick up western cats? shipping 100 or bundle of cats adds up? not trying to be negative and I applaud your efforts for the fur trade! Contact me if you’re interested in marketing with us and we will work something out for shipping.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 03:13 PM
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Sounds like a PT sale? I thought we didn't like those?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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depends on who benefits the most! lol ....the cat market is not going to be pretty this year. what happens if something happens in tanning process and damages the pelt.....trappers pays for it by down graded pelt?? should slip marks or sewing show in finished pelts the pelt is down graded? what happens if the dresser damages pelt during tanning process? can the trapper set a minimum price? one the cat tanned its useless to to get back and then try to sell on state sales? You know how most tanneries operate. Tan at your risk. It is risky.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 03:42 PM
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All dressing plants have a percentage of what they call blowout in the dressing process. It is around 5 % when a new dressing plant is starting up.It is considerably less in established dressers and dyers,less than 1%. Pelts wrecked at the dressing plant that is not due to poor skins to begin with are covered by the plant. Most blowout at a fur dressing plant is due to the fleshers who operate the shaving machines.That is why the second highest paid position at a fur dressers is head flesher.Established dressers wont be in buisness long if there is excessive blowout.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 04:39 PM
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yes dirt ...I agree tanning is very risky! I would prefer to sell raw skins.
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Re: GFW WESTERN BOBCAT MARKETING PROGRAM
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09/25/20 05:00 PM
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yes dirt ...I agree tanning is very risky! I would prefer to sell raw skins. I have used 3 tanners. 2 I fired. The other one is on thin ice. I once asked the local furbuyer/FHA agent which tannery he prefered. He said the one he wasn't mad at right now!
Who is John Galt?
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