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Re: life on Venus [Re: Finster] #7008378
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where do you think tax dollars should go cowboy?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: life on Venus [Re: danny clifton] #7008392
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
where do you think tax dollars should go cowboy?

Getting the country out of debt is always good. Funding EMTS and firefighters with necessary equipment such as that used in grain bin rescues. Funding medical research. Housing homeless children and adults and veterans. Etc.. the list goes on. Now there might be money left over and then maybe its time to fund space exploration i just feel like we have more important things to worry about right now. For instance let's stop the child sex trade Id be glad to see tax dollar going to that.





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Originally Posted by cowboy2005

Getting the country out of debt is always good. Funding EMTS and firefighters with necessary equipment such as that used in grain bin rescues. Funding medical research. Housing homeless children and adults and veterans. Etc.. the list goes on. Now there might be money left over and then maybe its time to fund space exploration i just feel like we have more important things to worry about right now. For instance let's stop the child sex trade Id be glad to see tax dollar going to that.


Who coulda seen that one coming...

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The scripture about "the poor will be with you always" is probably one of the most misused in the bible. Judas wanted the money put in the treasury from the expensive oil used to anoint Jesus. Because Judas was the treasurer and for that reason he wanted the money not because of the poor. So many justify Jesus's words that the poor don't need it. But it is rather the framework to help those with less. Of course when one gets into the distribution of it there is still problems, and in one instance caused Stephen to get stoned to death. So there is nothing new in that respect.

I guess one analogy of it could be that if one lights his cigars with $10 bills maybe he should buy a lighter or even better buy food instead of cigars .

Or we could resort to Chinese proverbs and say give a guy a fish and feed him for a day or teach him to fish, etc.

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So no exploration of Venus till the national debt is paid, all the prostitutes are forced to get "real" jobs, fire departments all have grain silo rescue equipment, cancer is cured, and homeless people are given free housing? Sounds about as feasible as parting the red sea I suppose.


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You are slacking off Danny, I would have thought you would have used Reed Sea instead of Red Sea.

Re: life on Venus [Re: danny clifton] #7008442
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
So no exploration of Venus till the national debt is paid, all the prostitutes are forced to get "real" jobs, fire departments all have grain silo rescue equipment, cancer is cured, and homeless people are given free housing? Sounds about as feasible as parting the red sea I suppose.

No I disagree with free housing, but I feel like theres got to be a way to help get veterans off the streets. And I never mentioned prostitution, I meant the CHILDREN being sold into that. Its just seems to me that going to venus is not that big of a deal. Why don't you explain to me why it's so all fired important?? If we can't solve the issues in our planet why are we going to others? We spent billions going to the moon, what did we accomplish besides showing off? I'm genuinely interested why space exploration is so important I dont understand, call me ignorant if you will.





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tell me what children are being sold .

space exploration m ay yeild nothing of value. it may also yield value in ways we can't even conceive of yet

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Originally Posted by cowboy2005

No I disagree with free housing, but I feel like theres got to be a way to help get veterans off the streets. And I never mentioned prostitution, I meant the CHILDREN being sold into that. Its just seems to me that going to venus is not that big of a deal. Why don't you explain to me why it's so all fired important?? If we can't solve the issues in our planet why are we going to others? We spent billions going to the moon, what did we accomplish besides showing off? I'm genuinely interested why space exploration is so important I dont understand, call me ignorant if you will.


Of course there is a way to get Veterans off the street, quit giving them food and money and force them to get a job or starve to death. Single biggest determining factor in child abuse is single mother households, quit allowing harpies to divorce their husbands and live off child support while dating every loser in a 20 mile radius. Off the top of my head I believe children from a single mother household are 30 times more likely to be abused. Easy to be a single mom or choose your mate unwisely when you have daddy GOVT to fall back on.

Why look to expanding knowledge and science? Seriously?

I realize by your name on here you are probably about 15, I think its a good thing you show intelligence and the ability to discuss ideas and I do not want to be to hard on you but right now you are holding some grandiose ideas that we probably all had as young men, these will likely dissipate in time.

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Yeah Cowboy you are trying to solve the worlds problem and the biggest problem now is covid 19 and it will all be over Nov 3. So kick your shoes off and relax, lol.

Re: life on Venus [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7008459
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by cowboy2005

No I disagree with free housing, but I feel like theres got to be a way to help get veterans off the streets. And I never mentioned prostitution, I meant the CHILDREN being sold into that. Its just seems to me that going to venus is not that big of a deal. Why don't you explain to me why it's so all fired important?? If we can't solve the issues in our planet why are we going to others? We spent billions going to the moon, what did we accomplish besides showing off? I'm genuinely interested why space exploration is so important I dont understand, call me ignorant if you will.


Of course there is a way to get Veterans off the street, quit giving them food and money and force them to get a job or starve to death. Single biggest determining factor in child abuse is single mother households, quit allowing harpies to divorce their husbands and live off child support while dating every loser in a 20 mile radius. Off the top of my head I believe children from a single mother household are 30 times more likely to be abused. Easy to be a single mom or choose your mate unwisely when you have daddy GOVT to fall back on.

Why look to expanding knowledge and science? Seriously?

I realize by your name on here you are probably about 15, I think its a good thing you show intelligence and the ability to discuss ideas and I do not want to be to hard on you but right now you are holding some grandiose ideas that we probably all had as young men, these will likely dissipate in time.

See? Now I've been educated. I realize I'm not going to solve the worlds problems I dont even want to try. I just think its maybe a little foolish to spend billions on going to venus, to study "possible" bacteria.





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Originally Posted by danny clifton
tell me what children are being sold .

space exploration m ay yeild nothing of value. it may also yield value in ways we can't even conceive of yet

Jamie closs from a town 15 miles from me





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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Yeah Cowboy you are trying to solve the worlds problem and the biggest problem now is covid 19 and it will all be over Nov 3. So kick your shoes off and relax, lol.

if i was any more relaxed I'd be dead, which in all honesty sounds kinda nice





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Oh Cowboy when life gives us a shipwreck we just have to swim that much the harder and when you get tired, grab a board and hang on. It will get better when dawn comes.

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Originally Posted by cowboy2005

See? Now I've been educated. I realize I'm not going to solve the worlds problems I dont even want to try. I just think its maybe a little foolish to spend billions on going to venus, to study "possible" bacteria.


GOOD!!! If you have already given up on trying to solve the worlds problems at 15 you are wise beyond your years. We should emphasis teaching young men how to improve themselves, their families, their communities and if they prove to be exceptional maybe then the country and the world. Work on self improvement, learn to dress, study Aristotle, Nietzsche and the Bible and in thirty years you may be leading us all.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by cowboy2005

See? Now I've been educated. I realize I'm not going to solve the worlds problems I dont even want to try. I just think its maybe a little foolish to spend billions on going to venus, to study "possible" bacteria.


GOOD!!! If you have already given up on trying to solve the worlds problems at 15 you are wise beyond your years. We should emphasis teaching young men how to improve themselves, their families, their communities and if they prove to be exceptional maybe then the country and the world. Work on self improvement, learn to dress, study Aristotle, Nietzsche and the Bible and in thirty years you may be leading us all.

Perhaps, but president is a postion I'd never wish on myself, or any man for that matter





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Originally Posted by cowboy2005

Perhaps, but president is a postion I'd never wish on myself, or any man for that matter


Aim higher then, we don't need another president, we need an emperor if we are to preserve our empire.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by cowboy2005

Perhaps, but president is a postion I'd never wish on myself, or any man for that matter


Aim higher then, we don't need another president, we need an emperor if we are to preserve our empire.

Well, guess I've got some studying to do and some social events to attend lol





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Good read on the way back from a very nice Kansas get together. Kansas folks are just flat nice folks. Great time.

Maybe in an attempt to paint a more accurate scenario of the religious and the sciences, it's helpful to visit more accurate history. Weird how, as we progress, factoids drop from being taught to us.

The orthodox (historical) Christian faith has never opposed scientific advance, although individuals in both camps may have. Some scientists don't like the religious and some religious don't like the scientists. That is most certainly true (countless atheists and religious leaders have personally sent hate mail to their "opponents", but to say the religious oppose science is not true in any sense.

I hope this helps to clarify;

"We out to begin by noting that Christians have commonly understood that the natural order of a wise Creator who continues to providentially guide it, and that it, therefore, possesses an intrinsic rationality and orderliness that can be investigated. Discovering evidence of this design brings God glory, thus its continued investigation is warranted (Hooykaas, 1972; McGrath, 2001; Stark, 2003). Indeed it is mostly Christians in the West who founded the scientific revolution, and the main contributors to the early developments in the natural sciences - astronomy, physics, chemistry , and biology - were Christians of various stripes, including Roger Bacon, Copernicus, Kelper, Galileo, Francis Bacon, Newton, Boyle, Pascal, Descartes, Ray, Linnaeus, and Gassendi. Throughout the history of Christianity, science has been seen, fundamentally as a gift of God."

- Eric Johnson, Psychology and Christianity, 2010, p. 10.

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