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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021056
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Even with the ups and downs, how long is a person going to be supplying product til it goes back up to profitable?

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021057
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I lose money every year but I admittedly don't trap for income. I do it for management and because I enjoy it. The checks I get offset expenses. Higher prices simply offset more expenses.

The world is changing. Things we think are good or important are hated by or just don't matter to a growing percentage of the human population.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021061
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Animal use of any sorts will be extinct within 100 years. Fur, meat ,etc. will be grown in a petri dish eliminating any use for the real deal.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021064
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Nuisance trapping will be the competition that creates the next fur boom.



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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021068
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Trapping will always be around. What pays may change.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7021074
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Nuisance trapping will be the competition that creates the next fur boom.


How exactly?

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ron Marsh] #7021076
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Originally Posted by Ron Marsh
Trapping will always be around. What pays may change.


True words from the man who makes the industry's best J-hook! Just bought another one from Jeb @ Okie Trap Supply while we were all at the KS get together. Showed a few trappers why they needed to get one also. Great device. Thanks Ron.

Good comments on the thread. Boco and Bryce have good food for thought especially.

Could it be that during the last 100 years our US economy (and lifestyle) has so far outpaced so much of the rest of the world. What we call a dollar, and spend 3 of them for a cup of coffee, much of the world calls a weekly wage. Many of the people in the world, save the elites in them as they're often called, earn dollars per week on par with our money. We want $20 coon. The average wage in Cuba is $33/month.

We've just outpaced the rest of the world in lifestyle and what we call a few bucks, they call a week's wages.
Fur as a fashion item needs the elites in Asia, Europe and the Middle East to bolster any hope for retail wild fur.
My thoughts at least.

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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7021077
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Nuisance trapping will be the competition that creates the next fur boom.


Not sure about boom but market, yes. Maybe a good one.

I trap thousands of acres of land owned by neighbors around my farm. Some of those really frugal farmers would likely pay me to do it. Not a lot but I am not even sure what I would charge--which I won't so it's academic.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: lumberjack391] #7021083
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Nuisance trapping will be the competition that creates the next fur boom.


How exactly?


When you are paid to catch them processing becomes an option. If fur buyers want it, they will have to make it worth the trappers time to process it.



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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Blaine County] #7021086
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Nuisance trapping will be the competition that creates the next fur boom.


Not sure about boom but market, yes. Maybe a good one.

I trap thousands of acres of land owned by neighbors around my farm. Some of those really frugal farmers would likely pay me to do it. Not a lot but I am not even sure what I would charge--which I won't so it's academic.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021093
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And...when prices are down, go knock on doors. Can pick up a lot of land access when others throw in the towel...then work hard in down years to keep it all.
Just bought some new (used) traps this year. Got them for a song from someone getting out of it.
Almost felt bad paying what little I did for them, too. Almost.

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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: jabNE] #7021100
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Originally Posted by jabNE
And...when prices are down, go knock on doors. Can pick up a lot of land access when others throw in the towel...then work hard in down years to keep it all.
Just bought some new (used) traps this year. Got them for a song from someone getting out of it.
Almost felt bad paying what little I did for them, too. Almost.

grin

Early 80s There was good money in fur.Every body and their brother went out and got traps to join in on the "EASY MONEY".Then,,when they found out all that easy money wasn't so easy after all,,I bought loads used once, or not used at all traps for pennies on the dollar. smile


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021105
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I would guess that people will always exchange money for what they want done and don't or won't do themselves.
The future of trapping is tied to this principle and "trapping" will remain as long as ^^^^^^^ applies.
Can't speculate about the "fur" part.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021107
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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021164
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Hobbie Trapper- Only when there is a fur market. A lot of ADC trapping is during the summer with worthless pelts.

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: J Staton] #7021176
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Animal use of any sorts will be extinct within 100 years. Fur, meat ,etc. will be grown in a petri dish eliminating any use for the real deal.


Then why are things going the other way? Talk to any butcher and you will find out they have never been as busy as they have during this scamdemic. I just got through guiding a fellow from Alberta on a moose hunt. He has owned and operated a butcher shop in southern Alberta for decades. He said he has never been so busy and every butcher he knows is saying the same thing. They actually just changed the laws in Alberta so that ranchers can now sell directly to the public. They made that change because the demand was so great that the stores couldnt handle it. Panic buying?? Maybe, but the fact remains that the demand is there and growing.


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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: yukon254] #7021179
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by J Staton
Animal use of any sorts will be extinct within 100 years. Fur, meat ,etc. will be grown in a petri dish eliminating any use for the real deal.


Then why are things going the other way? Talk to any butcher and you will find out they have never been as busy as they have during this scamdemic. I just got through guiding a fellow from Alberta on a moose hunt. He has owned and operated a butcher shop in southern Alberta for decades. He said he has never been so busy and every butcher he knows is saying the same thing. They actually just changed the laws in Alberta so that ranchers can now sell directly to the public. They made that change because the demand was so great that the stores couldnt handle it. Panic buying?? Maybe, but the fact remains that the demand is there and growing.


Yup, try buying laying hens in Ontario this fall. Better get your name on a list if you want any in the spring. Imagine if there was an actual real catastrophic change in the world.

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: lumberjack391] #7021187
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Hobbie Trapper- Only when there is a fur market. A lot of ADC trapping is during the summer with worthless pelts.


Really? Why in the world would you skin, flesh and board a $5 coon when they are a nuisance year around?

I’ve made more money catching groundhogs, guess how many of those I skinned.

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Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Ave] #7021263
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The OP is asking about the fur market. ADC is a whole other ballgame.

Re: Is the fur industry over? [Re: Boco] #7021265
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Originally Posted by Boco
Agreed Pawnee.
If things more than 100 years old are not relevant anymore then Your constitution is irrelevant too.
Thats the trouble with people nowadays,they dont consider how relevant the historical record really is to what we are today and how things unfold in a predetermined way,to a certain extent,based on what went before.
History is a foundation on which everything else is built on.
You disavow the foundation you are on shaky ground to say the least.
That is why the anarchists who want to destroy the current paradigm attack the foundation first-wipe out the history-destroy the foundation and everything crumbles.


"We’ve struggled with low fur prices for a long time, but over the past few years I’ve predicted the low prices would bottom and start to rebound around 2020. That prediction is based on the production cycle for ranch fur and the clearing of the overproduction of fur in the market. That is happening right now. After several years of rock bottom prices, mink ranchers around the world have pelted out and gone out of business over the past 2-3 years. Their excess production continues to work through the supply chain, and there won’t be nearly as many ranch mink entering the market until a couple of years after fur prices recover.

As a general rule, most wild fur follows ranch fur prices. That’s because if given a choice, buyers prefer the ranch product due to its large quantities of uniform goods. It just makes large scale production of most items much easier. When ranch fur gets expensive, it is often substituted with wild fur, and wild fur prices go up. So as the availability of ranch mink and fox dries up, and demand returns, we should begin to see increasing prices of wild mink, muskrat, beaver, otter, raccoon and fox. That’s a big ‘if’, but I think we’re headed in that direction.

The fur market also depends on demand from the major fur consuming countries, mainly Russia and China. Both countries’ economies are struggling, and the strength of the U.S. Dollar makes fur even more expensive for them to purchase. The lack of a solid trade deal with China has been a challenge as well. Most folks would look at these factors and think we’re in a worst case scenario for fur across the board. I look at them and see a bottom that the market should begin crawling out of over the next couple of years."

I really don't know what the fur trade prior to 1900's where there was little to no ranch fur, the fur was supplied mostly by natives, and sold in Europe, and there were few bunny huggers, and little mass production, has to do with the current situation? confused


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