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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024056
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Why would anyone even think that was anything but a bobcat?


Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024082
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The cat is top predator no matter who else is around.


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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: harryleggs] #7024095
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Originally Posted by harryleggs
Why would anyone even think that was anything but a bobcat?


Boy,you said it!That is a Northern Pacific Rattlesnake which occurs in Northern California.Some people think that only lynx have long ear tufts.Not true.Bobcats from some regions in the West have very long ear tufts and sometimes,much bigger ears even.The bobcats black tail tip is white on the underside,The lynx tail tip is black,allthe way around.

Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024117
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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024160
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I dont know if anyone here has handled rattlesnakes much. But the timber rattlers we have here in the north east emit a very strong odor when they are distressed as do most snakes. It is very unique and strong smell.. This video sure has me wondering if that scent could be used as a lure. That cat was deffinetly rolling in that scent.


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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: Taximan] #7024196
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Originally Posted by Taximan
Originally Posted by harryleggs
Why would anyone even think that was anything but a bobcat?


Boy,you said it!That is a Northern Pacific Rattlesnake which occurs in Northern California.Some people think that only lynx have long ear tufts.Not true.Bobcats from some regions in the West have very long ear tufts and sometimes,much bigger ears even.The bobcats black tail tip is white on the underside,The lynx tail tip is black,allthe way around.


The PA bobcats my buddy and I have caught and handled don't have any where near that amount of ear tuft. Some have none at all.

Here's a pic of the last one I caught, no ear tufts like most of our cats.

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Maybe try not to get your panties so bunched up over a simple question eh guys?

i do appreciate the explanation and description Taximan.


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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024223
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Lugnut it makes me wonder if the farther north and west you go the more subtle changes you might see. The Kansas and Texas cats don't have much ear tuff either.


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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: Woodsman1118] #7024236
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Originally Posted by Woodsman1118
I dont know if anyone here has handled rattlesnakes much. But the timber rattlers we have here in the north east emit a very strong odor when they are distressed as do most snakes. It is very unique and strong smell.. This video sure has me wondering if that scent could be used as a lure. That cat was deffinetly rolling in that scent.


I have talked of this before,Woodsman.When I lived in Timber Rattlesnake country,I handled quite a few.I only took a few for skins and meat and saved the glands for experimentation.The glands of 3,average timber rattlers,barely covered the bottom of a 1 oz jar.I presented it to some domestic canines and got very dramatic responses from each.They would curl their lips back as in a Flehmen response,lick their lips and shudder and shake.I just didn't get a chance to try it on the trapline much.I have handled other species but they didn't seem to have much odor or if they did,it was different.I'd like to have a pint of that stuff,though times are different now and I just never did want to take enough of those Timbers,even when legal,to do much with.A unique smell,for sure.

Thank you,Lugnut.I saw the same type tufts in WV when I lived there.I have seen super long ones in Utah and other places in the West.
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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024240
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Don't Worry...There have been arguments about Squirrel ear tufts on here before

Regional differences ....


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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024365
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Must take a bobcat vs. lynx id course to trap in some states now!!!


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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: GROUSEWIT] #7024387
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Interesting, I was more interested in the behavior after the kill by the cat than the actual kill. There are some behavior issues that could be utilized in helping to set traps that don't get rolled on etc. and he came back several times to roll at the kill site too.

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Re: Bobcat vs. Rattlesnake [Re: 330-Trapper] #7024408
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Interesting.

The video was filmed in Angeles National Forest which is southern California. I'm betting the ear tufts are a regional thing.

The video gives me even more respect for the predatory ability of bobcats.


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