Well, seems things are changing a bit it seems.. not only the fur market and prices, but Grunwalds do not want to see the belly fur on the back if you plan on selling coon to them.. I’ve never sold to them before, so I’m sure this is something they have done for a while, but it’s new to me.

I don’t think anyone wants to see belly fur on the back

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Correct.Belly fur should not be on the back-it wont gain you a thing.
Incorrect cuts-(the money losing cut) puts back fur on the belly.
Keep ALL the back fur on the back and the belly fur on the belly.Excess belly fur on the belly can be trimmed off when you clean up the window.
Its not just on coon you need to make the correct cut on all case skinned animals.
some like fox and cats have a distinct colour line between belly and back.Thats where you make the cut.
Never cut thru the anus-always cut on the belly side of the anus.If you clamp one foot and pull down with force on the opposite foot you can make your cut in one swipe from heel to heel.

Money cut refers to your opening cut being on the belly side of the vent. However that is exactly what Groenwald does in his videos but says that it is not the "money cut" when in fact that is exactly what they do. The IMPORTANT thing is to make your cut straight across and not in a rainbow up around the belly. You can see the right way to do it in my video here and that is how all the buyers want them done. To not use a money cut you'd cut straight though the vent and lose 2-3" of length on a big coon. Its not cheating or trying to fool anyone its the right way to skin a raccoon. The cut starts at the 2:30 mark in the video.

ADC here is the video about them not wanting it
https://youtu.be/vPkAO-4sy6s

Right and watch at the 2:40 mark when they cut it exactly the way I did on the belly side of the vent and straight across. That is what almost everyone refers to as the "money cut". When he says don't do a money cut he means don't go up the belly in a rainbow, like up above the tip of the wiener on a male coon. Traditionally coons were opened by cutting straight to the vent from the heal on each side then everyone switched to the "money cut" you see now in my video that adds a couple or three inched to the length of the pelt. Buyers pay you more because they can get more when they sell them if they are opened this way.

Oh ok. Gotcha

We had people demo the "money cut". I never did open coons that way. Also in today's market we should call it the "non money cut" For me if I were selling to GFW I would certainly put up my rats and may sell the coon in the grease. Sure I will get less but they have the machines for coon and are setup for coon, probably better than rats. I would much rather lose $2 a coon for being in the grease then $1 for a rat because it is not put up.

Bryce

ADC, did you make that video? I have never seen a coon with testicles on its back. Your video shows the cut between the testicles and the penis of that coon. The correct cut should be between the anus and testicles.

Yes I made that video. If you watch the groenwald video also posted you'll see I open the coon exactly as they do, and its the way the buyers want them done. If you are cutting closer to the anus then you are shorting yourself on the coons that are borderline between two sizes.

You wont gain anything by leaving the nutsac on the back hanging on each side of the tail.
The longest measurement take on the back will be where the tail meets the anus.You can make a money losing cut by leaving back fur on the belly,which will cause a scallop between the tail/anus to the outside edge of your board.If you do that, this is where the back measure will be taken(at the shortest point of the scallop) which can lose you a size.
Proper skirting on any cased animal is from the tail straight across to the edge of your board or slightly downward from the base of the tail to the edge of the board.

Did you watch the two videos? I make the cut the way the largest fur buyer in the country says is the correct way to make the cut.

GFW won't be the largest fur buyer long unless they pay for the furs. I have sold to them in the past and found that Trevor Barnes pays considerably more on everything and he runs some pretty good routes. As far as coon go, I only keep them because I know if I release them once I will most often release them again. They are not smart. You skin how you feel is correct. Just hope you don't mislead a bunch of impressionable trappers.

Good Grief guys, this thread is about how Groenewold wants coons skinned, ADC's video shows the same cuts as Groenewold. If you don't like ADC's method, don't use it!

Right. And its not something new. Every big coon trapper I know, and I know a lot of them, all open their coons the way I do and have done for 30+ years.

I remember a coon demo years ago. The guy clamped one of the coon's feet in a vise grips bolted to a bench and pulled on the other, belly up. Then he made the opening cut from one ankle straight across to the other ankle. No curve. No back fur on the belly. Just clamp, pull and cut.

Skin for who you sell to.

Look at It this way no matter how you skin your coon groney Is only going to give you $2.00 for It anyway.

Was what I was thinking reading the post. Skin for the buyer but trap for the market.