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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7084306
12/11/20 01:29 PM
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The seal must remain on the hide until the tanning process has commenced.
When does the tanning process commenced?


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7084320
12/11/20 01:43 PM
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Mice are are game animals and have a season and bag limit. you must have ether a trapping, or hunting license to take them.


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: broncoformudv] #7084354
12/11/20 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by broncoformudv
Originally Posted by otterman
you guys want to see some convoluted beaver regs look at unit 17 I can trap 30 beaver in a day but can't shoot any in the fall but Dec 1 I can start shooting and take as many as possible in a day lots of fun when it is all froze up then April 15 we can take up to 2 a day with a firearm but we have to eat those 2 but on the same day I can trap 50 and use them all for bait. How about we just say a firearm is a method of take for trapping beaver and be done with it. I can trap a heck of a lot more beaver in one night then I can shoot thats for sure



WOW!

I agree a firearm should be a legal means of take in every unit if you have a trapping license and are doing it during trapping season. Would greatly simplify the regs.


What are the chances of recovering a wounded beaver? What are the odds that every person with a gun and a trapping license will know how and where to shoot beaver and have the skills to recover beaver? Will allowing this harvest method cause a conservation concern? There may be a reason this is not legal in some areas of the State.


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7084368
12/11/20 02:27 PM
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Beaver sink after being shot. I don't know if all beaver sink all the time after being shot but I can eyewitness verify that beaver sink after being shot. This is from experience shooting them in Wyoming. If you are on shore and do not have a rod and reel with appropriate tackle, a big retriever breed able to haul them in, a boat or some other way to quickly retrieve the beaver then they can be easily lost.


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7085906
12/12/20 12:28 PM
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Dirt, drasselt, the best tool one can have when shooting beaver is a dip net the other thing is shooting them with anything more than a rimfire is IMO stupid I know the concerns just frustrating to have such confusing regs. I also know ATA board has taken a stance agains shooting beaver always made me wonder when a whole bunch of guys go rat shooting every spring.


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7085915
12/12/20 12:36 PM
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Dirt I imagine the chances of recovering a wounded beaver are about as high as recovering any other wounded game animal. Every year how many game animals are lost across this state or not even looked for because the hunter assumes they didn't hit the animal due to it running off appearing perfectly fine? Are beaver more valuable than a caribou? Thats like the argument against bear baiting for brown/grizzlies yet everyone being ok with baiting black bears.

I just don't see a huge number of people running out into the wilds to shoot beaver during trapping season if it was legal in all GMU's.

Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7085972
12/12/20 01:20 PM
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You may not

• Shoot big game animals while they are swimming,

I wonder why?


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7086593
12/12/20 08:57 PM
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Shoot in the head with a high power rifle-you wont lose any.
You may lose one size at the auction house.
if you shoot them in a pond from shore with a 22 and they sink-wait a few days and they come up.
Or-rip the dam to natural flow and retrieve in a couple hours.

Last edited by Boco; 12/12/20 09:00 PM.

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Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7090787
12/15/20 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
You may not

• Shoot big game animals while they are swimming,

I wonder why?


Except for caribou in some units.

Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7091602
12/15/20 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
You may not

• Shoot big game animals while they are swimming,

I wonder why?

Definitely not because you will lose them due to sinking; not deer species anyway. They float like a cork. I think it because many people think shooting a swimming animal is poor sportsmanship. I don't have any ethical problem with shooting a swimming animal though.


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Re: BOG proposals [Re: waggler] #7092346
12/16/20 01:07 PM
12/16/20 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by Dirt
You may not

• Shoot big game animals while they are swimming,

I wonder why?

Definitely not because you will lose them due to sinking; not deer species anyway. They float like a cork. I think it because many people think shooting a swimming animal is poor sportsmanship. I don't have any ethical problem with shooting a swimming animal though.


I think you are correct about people thinking its not sporting.

Re: BOG proposals [Re: Dirt] #7092383
12/16/20 01:41 PM
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The two big game animals I see swimming here do not look like corks when they are swimming. Head out of water and top of the backs at or near the surface. I know one sinks or at least is neutral bouyant.

I see nothing more or less sporting between shooting a wading animal and a swimming animal. The one wading will be more recoverable. Personally, I'd wait till they got on shore.

Last edited by Dirt; 12/16/20 01:45 PM.

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