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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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Something like two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides. The gun-grabbers conveniently omit this fact when complaining about gun deaths.
Jim Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. You can't distance yourself from your foolish political choices that easily. I believe it's a condition of his psychopathy. He rails against the same people he brags about voting for.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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I take the question seriously, I don't know why some of you guys mock the question.
Christianity (not to be confused with the Roman Catholic church) teaches that once a person becomes a believer/follower of Jesus Christ all their past and future sins are forgiven. Nowhere is suicide excluded from sins that are forgiven.
It is no different than if you commit any other sin and then die before confessing your sin to God. Confession of sin by a believer is the purpose of healing, not for the purpose of salvation. It's not the question , it's the one asking
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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Dont do it Jim!! You have too much to live for!! Lol
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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I'll see you in your threads, AntiGov.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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^^^^^^
Antigov; "It's not the question , it's the one asking"
You have to allow for the fact that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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You guys are scared to debate James.You know he can make y'all look foolish-yous have learned well. Sticking up for your boyfriend again Bobo? You really like him quoting you in his signature line don't you?
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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I'll see you in your threads, AntiGov.
Jim Whoa...a threat to troll even more threads...quaking in my boots! LOL
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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I believe it's a condition of his psychopathy. He rails against the same people he brags about voting for. Something akin to passive/aggressive behavior.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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Something like two-thirds of gun deaths in the US are suicides. The gun-grabbers conveniently omit this fact when complaining about gun deaths.
What I'm interested in discussing here is what happens to the soul (assuming there is one) after one commits suicide?
The Roman Catholic Church says that suicide is a mortal sin. If you die with an unforgiven mortal sin on your soul, you go to Hades. For eternity. (In contrast, what Catholics call a venial sin is a lesser sin, a misdemeanor, which can lead to punishment, but not for eternity.)
But my mom told me God doesn't consider what a person does while not in their right mind to be a sin. So if you kill yourself while suffering from mania, severe depression, schizophrenia, or the like, you won't be judged and punished by God. A form of a divine legal insanity defense. But what if you die believing you are Jesus? If you think you are Him, you couldn't have accepted Jesus. The head spins.
The Catholics' God also would let you off the hook if you repent and believe in Jesus before you die. (When I say "believe in Jesus" I mean "accept Jesus as my Savior.") So for instance, if you took poison but repented before it acted to kill you, God would not hold the suicide against you.
I don't know what Protestants and others think happens to a suicide. I'm interested in finding out.
Jim I can't get past the second sentence here. The gun-grabbers THAT YOU VOTED FOR.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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My vote doesn't determine my free speech privilege here.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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You guys are scared to debate James.You know he can make y'all look foolish-yous have learned well. I’m not scared. I replied with the best answer I could. I’m proud to admit some can explain things more eloquent than I. We are told our body is a temple so no I don’t think it would turn out well. That being said Jesus is my savior and I no all sins are forgiven. Simply put it’s above my pay grade. Pretty wise!
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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My vote doesn't determine my free speech privilege here.
At least I think it doesn't.
Jim It doesn't, nor should it.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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So from a serious side, if that's what you seek, the Protestant faith (orthodox = traditional) holds that suicide is simply death in this life (as is all other). The wages of sin will be paid (Rom. 6:23) BUT the follower of Christ is sealed and stands with Christ and not Satan (Rom. 6:22). The redeemed is bound to Christ now (Rom.8:16-17; Eph. 2:6) and for all eternity.
James, there is no harder discussion than to sit with grieving parents of loved ones who have killed themselves. I've done it and I'm certain to do it again. It is a tearful time for everyone and there is comfort in knowing that God is a compassionate, merciful, loving, just God and we leave much to Him in these times.
I don't hold Roman Catholic beliefs as waggler did a good job presenting. Protestants hold that the atoning blood of the Lamb is sufficient for past/present/and future sins. Catholics affirm that Christ's blood is sufficient for past sins only and then you work with the Holy Church through a sacramental system for your present and future sins. Thus, the person who commits suicide would have categories of sin not covered by Grace, and complexities arise of course.
I would say Roman Catholics are wonderful Christians but their view of Christ's work at Calvary is much too limited.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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Waggler, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I hadn't thought about being forgiven for future sins.
I'll maybe give a more thoughtful reply, if it looks like the thread will survive.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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My vote doesn't determine my free speech privilege here.
At least I think it doesn't.
Jim A lot of the folks you support and voted for seem to think it does.
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Re: What happens to suicides after death?
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Are any of you jabbering guys able to dispute my answer to the question? (top of this page 3).
The Bible tells us to endure hardness as a good soldier, not bail when times get tough. I agree with what you wrote about our sins past, present and future being lost in God's forgetfulness when we we're born again but I wonder at someone who has truly experienced the change falling into such depths of despair.
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