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Snare stop problems #7075532
12/05/20 08:52 PM
12/05/20 08:52 PM
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So, I have had a couple times in the past couple years that I have had my end stop at the stake break off when I catch a deer instead of the breakaway opening. I am using Senneker 265 LB breakaway, slightly over crimped. I have sent these snares with over crimping for testing to the Game and Fish and the breakaways do not break anything more then 300 lbs. So, now I'm left wondering if I'm doing something wrong with my end stops. Either over or under hammering the annealed nuts on. The deer should be opening the breakaway instead of breaking off my stop. I do catch fox and coyote in snares, but I dont run many and always seem to have issues with my home built snares. I thought about the trap tag, but they are such soft metal I cant imagine that it would cut through all stand of cable by binding. And the deer should make a few lunges and be out. I am staking these off to a large split ring, which is attached to an oversized welded shut S hook on a peice of rebar.
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Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7075583
12/05/20 09:18 PM
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Get rid of the swivel and make an adjustable loop to slip over your stake.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7075597
12/05/20 09:23 PM
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Thats why im not a fan of those swivels and nuts. I prefer to use a double ferruled loop to either a trap swivel or a barrel swivel. The nuts either arent gripping the cable(under crimped) or the cable is cut(overcrimped)

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7075603
12/05/20 09:26 PM
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First off I'd suggest wrapping your trap tag around the swivel they will survive a coyote chewing on it even .

You hit the nail on the head when you said hammering the stop down there's no consistency when you use a hammer over a swedger to crimp the end . Remember 1x19 cable is super slick I use way more double sleeves than swivels but crimp all tie off ends on the snares I make which is still quite a few ha ha
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Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7075609
12/05/20 09:28 PM
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Use an aluminum stop botton, get rid of the nut.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7075824
12/05/20 10:54 PM
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First off the the nut looks like it's a undersized annealed nut. 1X19 is slick you should try a cable crimp in place lopped though if your doubting it. I've never had a nut pull lose.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7076422
12/06/20 12:49 PM
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I like a loop end with a standard stake swivel. That way, you can secure it any way you want.(stake, quick link with a chain, drowner etc....)
I like to use a vise instead of hammering them to death. A vise gives much more control.


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Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7076790
12/06/20 06:46 PM
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That's either a 6-32 or 8-32 nut, they don't make good end stops especially in combination with that slick 1x19 cable. They will pop off the end easier than you think especially if they get a good run before hitting the end of the snare, easier than opening a BAD as you have found out. Use a 1/4" annealed nut , aluminum stop or double up on them little 8-32 ones if you still want your snare swivel on the end. Also those little nuts don't need annealing, they would crack like the bigger nuts will unless you really hit them hard with the hammer trying to crush them in one hit. If you hit them lighter and 5-6 times they won't crack, a vice won't crack them either.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7076847
12/06/20 07:28 PM
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Sounds like I need to just use a loop with a double ferrule next time I make them. Whats a bit odd though is that I use the same size nut on the other end of the snare. Never had one of those pop off. It's just down at the stake swivel. Maybe it's the kill spring absorbing some of the energy on the business end.

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Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7076869
12/06/20 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nd native
Sounds like I need to just use a loop with a double ferrule next time I make them. Whats a bit odd though is that I use the same size nut on the other end of the snare. Never had one of those pop off. It's just down at the stake swivel. Maybe it's the kill spring absorbing some of the energy on the business end.


I had the same thing when I started with them. Always the stake end. They held most of the time just fine but occasionally they didn't.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Gray Breard] #7077584
12/07/20 04:12 AM
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Why is everyone hammering nuts & ferrules?? Doesn't anyone own a vise??


My Gal's name is Ma Deuce.

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Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Gray Breard] #7078787
12/07/20 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Gray Breard
Why is everyone hammering nuts & ferrules?? Doesn't anyone own a vise??


Feels like I'm an old school blacksmith when I use a hammer. More nostalgic feeling. Ha.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7078854
12/07/20 11:26 PM
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This is how I attach snare extensions to 1x19 3/32 wolf snares. I use a 1/4 annealed nut and have snared dozens of wolves without failure. [Linked Image]

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7078887
12/08/20 12:18 AM
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In order to salvage the snares I have, I cut the ends off and used some 1/4 inch annealed nuts I had laying around to make new ends. Didnt have double ferrules. I guess we'll see if that solves the issue.

From the opinions it sounds like the nuts I was using are too thin to get a real good grip on the cable. Probably blowing the threads out to easy and slipping off. If they slip off the business side I'm fine with that. They would essentially be functioning the same as a breakaway, but would result in the loss of my camlock. I've never had a coyote blow one out, just deer.

Appreciate everyone's help.

Re: Snare stop problems [Re: Nd native] #7079040
12/08/20 07:41 AM
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The ends on your snare. What ever you use.
"IN NEWT'S WORLD" should be stronger than the cable that they are instaled on.

In other words when tested the first thing that breaks is the cable


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