Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 09:38 AM
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Law Dog
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If you do a contract just know what goes with a lease, here the hunting rights do go with the lease unless otherwise stated in the contract, a lot of people don’t understand that.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Law Dog]
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01/29/21 10:31 AM
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If you do a contract just know what goes with a lease, here the hunting rights do go with the lease unless otherwise stated in the contract, a lot of people don’t understand that. This ^^^^^. There has only been one incident of conflict while trapping. It was settled quickly with a phone call. The hunters and myself have been able to workout a good working relationship when it comes to “sharing” the property. I will note that the farmer has informed me that’s great if it works for me but not necessary because he’s the one paying the bills. GET THOSE FOXES!!!!
-Goofy
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 11:03 AM
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As always- really good feedback I would definitely have a "No Hunting" clause in the contract, the new farmer runs bear dogs- yes, he has a lot of his own property but I wouldn't want to include my acreage in that. Diggerman- That's a concern, I'm wondering if the local USDA Office would have a list of those toxins or prohibited chemicals? or make the contact contingent on those input approvals. I've also heard about farmers that sell seed, dumping weed seed on leased properties, I wouldn't want that blowing across my fields and I'm not sure of the consequences but doesn't sound desirable.
Bryce might be a good source to PM if he doesn't weigh in on the discussion.
Last edited by Eagleye; 01/29/21 11:05 AM.
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Nick C]
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01/29/21 12:07 PM
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You can put into the contract which seed/grains are allowable to be grown and also list what crops are not allowed. Another good consideration- Hemp probably has limited browse nutrition. It's been corn and beans but rather see it in writing
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 12:22 PM
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Get references on the new farmer. Ask at the local farmer’s exchange, ag coop, or seed dealers.
A guy around here who rents a great amount of land pays slowly, forgets to pay, or just never makes money on the rented land so does not pay at all. He hooks people until they wise up. Some people never wise up. The guy makes a lot of money.
Another guy, actually a neighbor rents land and does very well. He pays his landowners accurately and on time. A few years ago, he built a very nice new house.
FRAC LIVES MATTER
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 01:36 PM
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Around here they lease for a certain amount per acre. Hunting rights are or are not included. MOST the hunting rights are separate. Farmers lease the hunting rights separate even more income. Corn , beans are around 150-190 per acre depending on ground. TOBACCO IS 200-225 per acre !!!!
3 year contract is norm.
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 02:03 PM
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For Gods sake don't take advice here. Laws vary in every state, as do the specifics of standard leases. For example when people tell you the hunting rights go with the lease. The heck they do, the only way they are part of the lease are if they are written in and both parties agree. It's is entirely unheard of around here, the ONLY thing that goes is the right to farm the ground. Talk to a local lawyer that is familiar with ag leases.
Last edited by 330-Trapper; 01/29/21 02:57 PM. Reason: Profanity
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 05:20 PM
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As always- really good feedback I would definitely have a "No Hunting" clause in the contract, the new farmer runs bear dogs- yes, he has a lot of his own property but I wouldn't want to include my acreage in that. Diggerman- That's a concern, I'm wondering if the local USDA Office would have a list of those toxins or prohibited chemicals? or make the contact contingent on those input approvals. I've also heard about farmers that sell seed, dumping weed seed on leased properties, I wouldn't want that blowing across my fields and I'm not sure of the consequences but doesn't sound desirable.
Bryce might be a good source to PM if he doesn't weigh in on the discussion.
Do some research, If you are a bee keeper or raise birds, then absolutely No insecticides or neonics. If you have a well in the area, no Triazines, if you have Hel soils , no soybeans, or very limited. After planting in the spring, drive by on a sunny warm day. Look over the fresh ground and you will be able to watch the off-gassing of chemicals from most grain farms, sit there for a while and take note of the animals and insects using those fields. yup, none. If you need the income, then you will have to put up with it, if not and you value your land, set your standards, stick to them.
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Re: Farmland Leasing- Do's & Don'ts
[Re: Eagleye]
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01/29/21 05:53 PM
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I am not experienced with the hunting and or wildlife aspects of leases but most leases in WI are for 3-5 years as that is typically a rotation, especially the longer years if alfalfa is in the mix. Sounds like your farmers don't raise alfalfa. Not many crop share leases in WI, mostly cash. Most that I dealt with did not have increases or decreases during the years of the lease contract. Those were done when terms were up. Get pay dates down and decide if you want annual payment or more frequent payment The contract should have some statement regarding late payments or lack of payment or an offer below the agreed upon and signed value. Grounds for termination of the lease are important for both parties. Don't know what you have been receiving for rent per acre but some good sources may be lenders, farm financial accounting firms UWEX ag agents and FSA office if you want more information and data. The county ASCS off ice may be helpful as well. Remember that all the commodity and subsidy payments go to the grower of the crops unless specifically stated otherwise.
Bryce
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