Re: Fear of Death
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I don't fear death I won't be alone. What I do fear is nursing home and a poor quality of life at the end. I want to just drop in my happy hunting grounds some place. X2 I want to go pulling my last beaver trap, that way I have all traps pulled and don't have to skin'um. Lol
Let me sugar coat this
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Re: Fear of Death
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02/01/21 06:38 PM
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Some have deep dived into the English definition of fear and then transitioned to a religious context. That'd shift the meaning as the theology of the term in Hebrew, and Greek in an orthodox sense would land closer to the English word; "Obey." As in fear the Lord your God meaning obeying Him. It's a whole doctrine so that's sure a 30,000 view but a secular meaning of the English word fear = phobia, was more of what I was aiming at in my OP.
Good insight from many of here.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Fear of Death
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Some have deep dived into the English definition of fear and then transitioned to a religious context. That'd shift the meaning as the theology of the term in Hebrew, and Greek in an orthodox sense would land closer to the English word; "Obey." As in fear the Lord your God meaning obeying Him. It's a whole doctrine so that's sure a 30,000 view but a secular meaning of the English word fear = phobia, was more of what I was aiming at in my OP.
Good insight from many of here.
Blessings, Mark Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Obey doesn't fit as well here. so many things lost in translation or even punctuation for that matter. Glad to able to speak on it though. "As iron sharpens iron....."
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Re: Fear of Death
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Some have deep dived into the English definition of fear and then transitioned to a religious context. That'd shift the meaning as the theology of the term in Hebrew, and Greek in an orthodox sense would land closer to the English word; "Obey." As in fear the Lord your God meaning obeying Him. It's a whole doctrine so that's sure a 30,000 view but a secular meaning of the English word fear = phobia, was more of what I was aiming at in my OP.
Good insight from many of here.
Blessings, Mark Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Obey doesn't fit as well here. so many things lost in translation or even punctuation for that matter. Glad to able to speak on it though. "As iron sharpens iron....." The original Koine Greek is more precise; "obeyed" is akousate in Greek meaning "listened to" and the word fear is phobou in the Greek tense aligning very well with yirâ in Hebrew meaning "reverence."
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Re: Fear of Death
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Some have deep dived into the English definition of fear and then transitioned to a religious context. That'd shift the meaning as the theology of the term in Hebrew, and Greek in an orthodox sense would land closer to the English word; "Obey." As in fear the Lord your God meaning obeying Him. It's a whole doctrine so that's sure a 30,000 view but a secular meaning of the English word fear = phobia, was more of what I was aiming at in my OP.
Good insight from many of here.
Blessings, Mark The original Koine Greek is more precise; "obeyed" is akousate in Greek meaning "listened to" and the word fear is phobou in the Greek tense aligning very well with yirâ in Hebrew meaning "reverence." Or godly fear or fear of displeasing.
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Re: Fear of Death
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"Wil I die in a horrible Car accident ? Will I die a long , lingering painful Death; after suffering through years of various Cancer treatments and surgeries to stop the Cancer; only to find out that it was all for nothing."
Pastor Mark, have you ever watched someone you loved dearly and have spent a life time with, suffer for several years as cancer ate away their body? Have you cared for that special someone, taking care of all their needs and watching them suffer? Have you spent hours listening to them moan guttural, painful, sorrowful sounds? Have you ever spent hours, months and years praying to have your prayers unheard and unanswered?
If you had experienced such things you might have a different perspective on a lot of things and how they actually work.
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Re: Fear of Death
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"Wil I die in a horrible Car accident ? Will I die a long , lingering painful Death; after suffering through years of various Cancer treatments and surgeries to stop the Cancer; only to find out that it was all for nothing."
Pastor Mark, have you ever watched someone you loved dearly and have spent a life time with, suffer for several years as cancer ate away their body? Have you cared for that special someone, taking care of all their needs and watching them suffer? Have you spent hours listening to them moan guttural, painful, sorrowful sounds? Have you ever spent hours, months and years praying to have your prayers unheard and unanswered?
If you had experienced such things you might have a different perspective on a lot of things and how they actually work.
Yep sure have.My father and uncle and grandfather.
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Re: Fear of Death
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"Wil I die in a horrible Car accident ? Will I die a long , lingering painful Death; after suffering through years of various Cancer treatments and surgeries to stop the Cancer; only to find out that it was all for nothing."
Pastor Mark, have you ever watched someone you loved dearly and have spent a life time with, suffer for several years as cancer ate away their body? Have you cared for that special someone, taking care of all their needs and watching them suffer? Have you spent hours listening to them moan guttural, painful, sorrowful sounds? Have you ever spent hours, months and years praying to have your prayers unheard and unanswered?
If you had experienced such things you might have a different perspective on a lot of things and how they actually work.
Mac, I'm not a pastor. I'm a theology student who interns with hospice patients currently. Hospice as in: they're dying. Curious why the harshness? Was this thread a threat of insensitivity somehow? Are you irritated with me or are you irritated with God? Not sure as I read your post. I'm curious what perspective you'd inject into me to give me a different perspective? I welcome your thoughts. Blessings, Mark
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Re: Fear of Death
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Neither do I fear death, or rush the coming of the event. Planning for many years here and eternity there.
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All men die. Not all men truly live. " I think that's from " brave heart"
Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Re: Fear of Death
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" God is within us. The devil is within us"! I can't remember where I read that.
We are free to act and receive either the rewards or the punishment of our actions.
"Lust of the flesh, wanting things of this earth then your heart doesn't have God in it"!
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"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction." "After the first shot, all plans go out the window!"
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Re: Fear of Death
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We had a scholar from the field of psychology today speak at today's chapel and she made a number of worthy statements based on research of those who are terminal and "suffering."
In a summary of what was a deep topic she said the vast >95% of friends, family, loved ones, etc. of the one diagnosed with terminal illness who was experiencing immense suffering during their illness asked one question, and usually only one question, "Why?"
The patient themselves, or at least > 60% of the sufferers never wonder about the "why?" She said that's a cultural narrative from the motion picture and entertainment industry. In real life, in robust psychology research, the norm for these people is that they relay they have an unexplainable feeling on the clarity of life, it's place, it's value, and it's worth. Often mentioned is the hope that they hold onto that feeling until they pass. Many worry meds will cloud it and often meds do cloud it. Early Church Father Augustine called it "the sweetness."
Fascinating how the living worry about the what ifs, yet those who are in the actual seat called terminal illness, and who suffer, often say that matters not at all. I can link that chapel later as it's posted if anyones interested.
Blessings, Mark
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