Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 02:16 PM
02/19/21 02:16 PM
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Speaking for myself, I would rather be out trapping than doing the hard work of helping an organization stay afloat. I am much happier having others fill that position but someday I will need to reconcile whether I did all I could when the attack comes.
In Oregon, New Mexico and maybe some others, that time is now. All states will be under attack in the not too distant future imho.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: gary j]
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02/19/21 02:50 PM
02/19/21 02:50 PM
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MNEric
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The best reason to join a trappers association, be it state or national, depending on your finances, is the amount of money needed to be generated to hire lobbyists to keep on top of bills trying to prevent trappers from losing more ground. I think generally the membership of the Minnesota Trappers Association has been roughly 1/3 of the number of licenses sold each year. Politics are always in any organization, but I think a lot of people use that as an excuse to let somebody else do their bidding when actually their are just too self-centered and cheap to spend a nickel of their own because it might benefit some other person (trapper). My two cents worth, life member MTA and NTA. Gary J AMEN trapping brother
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 03:46 PM
02/19/21 03:46 PM
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Jumperzee
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Why join a State Association?
If it weren't for the ITA, we would have lost trapping or faced severe restrictions across most of the state as the result of a lawsuit a couple years back. The ITA spent a lot of money intervening in the lawsuit and the folks that fought the hardest would never have been affected by the outcome. There were only a couple hundred members at that time....
Since then our organization has grown to nearly 800 members across 20+ states. We're unified with the other sportsman's groups and have a lobbyist working on our behalf. When we propose changes to the regs, the state listens and works with us. We maintain good relationships with our elected officials and other state organizations (cattlemen, sheep, farm bureau, etc, etc). In this day and age, protecting your livelihood, hobby, heritage, interests, etc comes down to fighting to make your voice heard. The larger your coalition, the louder your voice. Pretty simple concept.
It's not a huge cost to be a member and not a lot of work to make your voice heard. If you have time to surf and post on Trapperman, you have time to comment to your State Association. It makes a difference and the funds help! If you don't like your leadership - change it! It's really disheartening to see folks complaining or apathetic - and even harder to hear about states with hardly any members facing ballot initiatives or organized anti-trapping campaigns. It doesn't take a lot of work to get organized and there's plenty of help available.
The NTA western this June in Glenn's Ferry will be a good chance for State Assn's to visit. The planning crew is looking at scheduling a "Summit" for the State groups to get together and discuss what's working, how to better work together. Don't wait until your faced with restrictions to do something.
Dirt - in my experience, new hobbies cost a lot of money to get started!
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 03:57 PM
02/19/21 03:57 PM
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The above post should be enshrined as to what us other states should aspire to. Great job Idaho!
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 04:01 PM
02/19/21 04:01 PM
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BernieB.
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Speaking for myself, I would rather be out trapping than doing the hard work of helping an organization stay afloat. I am much happier having others fill that position but someday I will need to reconcile whether I did all I could when the attack comes.
In Oregon, New Mexico and maybe some others, that time is now. All states will be under attack in the not too distant future imho. Sounds like you are slowly being converted to a conservative.
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: Jtrapper]
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02/19/21 05:03 PM
02/19/21 05:03 PM
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Mark June
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Society is divided and fragmented up as bad if not worse than before the civil war, church groups breaking up, even anti groups can't get along, why you have a bazillion different one's. Trappers no different as we as hunters. I was reading today on a deer hunting page a guy crying about them not being able to get along with one another and pretty much the same complaint ive heard trappers say for the past 40 years.
Oddly alot of times the hunters join force's with the anti's against trappers.
Problem with most trapping association's is they don't listen! Ego's get in the way of doing what's right and clique's spring up with this group against that group within the association, some run off and form their own group most just fade away back to their life, isn't like most of us already have enough problems in life, why volunteer for more?
Then some just never join ANYTHING for any reason.
Long as we continue to do the same ol thing we'll get the same ol result.
Is a way out of all this mess BUT it would require ego's be checked at the door, best idea's ran with, old idea's that haven't ever worked left by the wayside and a rebranding of who we are and what we do to attract major donor's not keep digging around in broke trapper's pockets for money.
Wake me up when all that happens. J, Their gonna howl at me for this post, but I like howling at the moon music, so oh well. It has been theorized from some very deep thinkers that when this country tossed out the Bible as the source of Truth (late 1800's really was the landslide) it absolutely opened the door wide open for everyone to decide their own truth. And here we is today. I am in that camp of how we got here. And we're not going back to anything normal or close to it, on the backs of human wisdom. Never. Mars, or no Mars. It's pretty evident as we lament about our differences. It even resides in this marvelous forum. Each of us can be what we always wanted to be: The Boss. Where does Truth come from anyway? Blessings, Mark
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 05:07 PM
02/19/21 05:07 PM
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Mark June
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Mark June
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What does it hurt to spend a few raccoon hides and join more than one association? It's not a money thing. People spend more on the weekend for R&R than supporting 5 associations for a year. It's what YOU think is important to YOU.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 05:35 PM
02/19/21 05:35 PM
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Dirt
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I have always suspected that many people involved in the National organizations are in the trapline supply business?
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: Dirt]
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02/19/21 05:44 PM
02/19/21 05:44 PM
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Mark June
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I have always suspected that many people involved in the National organizations are in the trapline supply business? ???? Who? Who would have time to do both?
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 05:57 PM
02/19/21 05:57 PM
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Dirt
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 06:00 PM
02/19/21 06:00 PM
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Mark June
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Mark June
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What is your point Dirt? It's not obvious. It seemed you were saying people who own trapping businesses were board members of associations?
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 06:30 PM
02/19/21 06:30 PM
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Wright Brothers
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At one time a state org did not allow dealers to be O or D. That did not last long as no one else would step up. Pretty sure they are taking applications. Even from those who resupply at conventions, who are not yet members. Those chores are all gravy, step right up lol.
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